Let me ask this, if all these other approaches are better why is there not a application like ofbiz done in them, without using ofbiz at all?
I keep getting the feeling that those that want major changes don't really understand the design goals of ofbiz. ======================= BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man Linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro> huang.mi...@gmail.com sent the following on 3/11/2010 8:50 AM: > While reading the sentence "There are many people out there who don't > understand the Entity Engine", I felt a problem implied in it: There are > absolutely much more people "out there", and I'm sure the OFBIZ project > want to attract them in. Why they keep on asking "Hibernate", "Spring", > etc, though? Are they all wrong? > > In my opinion, the OFBIZ framework DID do a right thing - to provide > developers an integrated framework. What I mean is in OFBIZ, the > developer can define entity in one place and share the entity definition > across different tiers, form persistence to presentation. This kind of > integration saved developers a lot from typings and preserved > consistency across different application tiers. But, this is not what > Entity Engine itself can provide. All gains come from the integration. > If we simply separate the OFBIZ entity engine into a stand alone ORM > like tool, I bet its not very attractive and only people familiar with > OFBIZ already will use it. > > On the other hand, if there are another framework such as Grails that > can provide at least same level of cross tier integration ability, while > leverage the sophisticated and WELL KNOWN technologies (such as > Hibernate/JPA for ORM, Spring for service tier component composition, > Spring MVC for view tier framework). Sounds a little bit attractive than > "home made" every thing, isn't it? > > Regards, > Miles. > > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:23 -0500, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> Hi David: >> >> Nothing! I think this is an amazing piece of work. IMO, there are many >> people out there who don't understand the Entity Engine value >> proposition. That is why they keep asking for "Hibernate" etc. >> >> Here's some things I'd consider as additions: >> >> * Maybe making a separate component/webapp to manage the Entity >> Engine. Take it out of WebTools. >> * Include in that webapp any security/role management specific to >> the Entity Engine. >> * Entity Engine performance tools (or more information on how to use >> existing tools). >> * Better backup tools (or more information on how to use existing >> tools). >> >> More to come... >> Ruth >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword "myofbiz" >> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >> >> David E Jones wrote: >>> If you could change anything about the data tier in OFBiz (basically the >>> Entity Engine), what would you change? >>> >>> All comments are welcome. If there is another tool you'd like to see used >>> instead of the Entity Engine, please describe what you like about it (like >>> "I want to have an Java class for each table in my database") instead of >>> just mentioning the tool (like "let's use Hibernate!"). >>> >>> Why am I asking? This topic comes up every once in a while, and it's true >>> that many suggestions never get enough support to actually happen (or on >>> further research it is decided that the idea is not tenable), but >>> brainstorming about them to get ideas in the open is still a great thing. >>> The history of OFBiz is full of things like this where users and more >>> casual contributors had ideas and saw possibilities that others, even more >>> involved contributors, totally missed or never looked at that way. What I >>> think would be fun, and ultimately useful too, is to keep this mostly to >>> brainstorming and not do too much comparing of ideas. >>> >>> BTW, if you want to brainstorm about another tier (ie the Logic or UI >>> tiers) please use the other threads on those. If you'd like to discuss >>> things that aren't specific to a tier look for the "General" thread. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> > > >
