Of course Todd. All that you're suggesting is fine, as long as there is a rational argument for doing it (and in many cases there is - I just ask that if I involve myself in a project, I know what that argument is).
I am not about to develop a new CRM de novo, when there exists products like SugarCRM. It would be different in only two cases: 1) the existing products are immature and unreliable and the effort to make them adequate for use in production is greater than the cost to start again de movo, and 2) the product is mature and quite usable, but lacks support for a key, and essential feature, and the architecture used makes adding support for the missing feature impracticable. If there is a product that satisfies most of my requirements, I am most likely to develop new code just to add support to that product for the features(s) I require that are not already there. Now, commercial entities, with big bucks to invest, may well want to develop a new entry for a given market, just because they can; but that is based on a perceived opportunity and a belief they can produce a better product than those that currently exist and so out-compete the existing products/providers. But that is a completely different situation that I have not experienced directly, and am not likely to. Cheers Ted On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Todd Thorner <tthor...@infotinuum.com> wrote: > Forgive the amateur-speak, but would it be ok to invent an abstracted > layer of vendor-neutral APIs & service bindings & such forth that > engenders implementation interest among entities like SugarCRM and its > competitors? It'd be kind of like what SQL did for the database > industry, or what CMIS is doing for content management. > > How about docker-friendly OFBiz modules & components? That coupled with > "standards" at the transport/messaging/whatever layer would make OFBiz > very customizable, at least for *NIX admins. Check out this > infomercial: > https://coreos.com/blog/coreos-just-got-easier-to-try-with-panamax/ > > In any case, adapt or die. As an Alfresco user, I offer thanks to those > considering Activiti workflow integration for OFBiz. Now if I could > only make some progress up the learning curve for this project ... > > > > On 14-09-19 09:20 AM, Ted Byers wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Ron Wheeler >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote: >>> They are suggesting that you will use the one that OFBiz already has for >>> that purpose. >>> Nothing new to do. Just create the module identification and then the issues >>> that you need in order to define the work on the Workflow project. >>> >> >> I am suggesting nothing of the sort. Rather, I am just curious as to >> who pays for the use of this particular commercial product. And, I am >> curious as to what open source alternatives exist and how they >> compare. >> >> As a software engineer, I HATE reinventing the wheel. Thus, if I were >> involved in OFBiz much earlier in its development, I would have >> suggested facilitating use of it WITH SugarCRM (or it's competitor, >> whose name I have quite forgotten at the moment), instead of >> developing a whole new contact management system within OFBiz, and for >> content management, I would have suggested facilitating use of OFBiz >> WITH Wordpress, again instead of developing a whole new content >> management system. But then, if the available options for particular >> tasks is deemed wanting for whatever reason, I'd have no objection to >> the development of new code, either to try to use these (obviously >> open source) products while adding code to address perceived >> deficiencies or to create a competitor de novo (there are sometimes >> good reasons for doing this too). >> >> But, in this present context, I am only interested in the cost of the >> present practice, and who pays, and the decision making process that >> led to use of jira instead of the alternatives (if there are viable >> alternatives). Understanding this may well inform my own decisions in >> the not too distant future. >> >> I am not, at present, interested in recommending changing anything, >> especially if those who are actually doing the work are happy with >> what is presently in place. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ted >> >>> Rn >>> >>> On 19/09/2014 11:34 AM, Ted Byers wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Adrian Crum >>>> <adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Typically, this sort of thing is done in Jira - which provides a set of >>>>> collaboration tools and a means for voting on the change. >>>>> >>>> Jira is proprietary; so who pays for it? Or, is it free for open >>>> source projects, non-profit organizations or educational institutions? >>>> Is there not an open source equivalent? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>>> Adrian Crum >>>>> Sandglass Software >>>>> www.sandglass-software.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2014 2:17 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest an virtual meeting as an alternative so that the team >>>>>> can decide on scope, initial tasks, priorities and project management >>>>>> structure. >>>>>> This should be followed by a note to the ML summarizing the discussion >>>>>> and decisions taken and could include an invitation to others to >>>>>> participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> This might save several weeks of dancing on the ML. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19/09/2014 8:00 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Varun044, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The path is to work together with the contributors who pledged their >>>>>>> willingness to work on this. These are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Hans Bakker >>>>>>> - Mohd Viqar >>>>>>> - Rong Nguyen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The best place to do this is discuss it in this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, varun044 <varun...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks you for the prompt reply Pierre. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if I have to implement workflow in ofbiz now, which is the best >>>>>>>> path? >>>>>>>> Should I check into Activiti? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have some resources on the same, kindly share. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OfBiz-workflow-tp4655455p4655462.html >>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ron Wheeler >>> President >>> Artifact Software Inc >>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com >>> skype: ronaldmwheeler >>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >>> >> >> >> -- R.E.(Ted) Byers, Ph.D.,Ed.D. t...@merchantservicecorp.com
