On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ron Wheeler <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote: > No one is suggesting using JIRA as part of OFBiz. (As Jacques points out > parts of OFBiz are used in JIRA as a development framework.) > Nor was I. I was just curious about how the workflow features already in OFbiz compared with what is in Jira (or, in other words, what Atlassian added). > > The suggestion was to use JIRA as an issue tracking system to help manage > the Workflow project. > Ok, not a stretch there as it is already used by ASF.
> The suggested technical base for Workflow is Activiti (read the start of > this conversation at the end of this page). > OK. But then, I'd be interested in a comparison of Jira with Activiti with what is already in OFBiz. ;-) > Your suggestions about SugarCRM and WordPress are in the right direction but > these use underlying technologies (PHP) that are not easy to integrate into > a java project. > If it were easy, everyone would have done it. ;-) But seriously, it is not much different from the old days when I routinely mixed FORTRAN, C and C++ (and could do now also with C# and Java. They are just technologies that support web applications. The hardest 'task' would in my view be proper session management, I am, right now, working on a project that mixes web services written in Java, as Java servlets, with a web service written in Perl, and communicating with each other, over TLS, using the SOAP variant of XML. Seriously, this mixing of technologies isn't rocket science. It just needs someone with sufficient experience with all the technologies in the mix. > Your comments about not "reinventing the wheel" are spot on but if you > contribute to the Workflow Project, you will have a chance to see how easy > it is to integrate two products(OFBiz and Activiti) which may have > completely different frameworks under the business layer. > I will watch closely (so keep sending updates to this forum), but it may be a year or three before I have time to contribute in any significant way. My work load has gone insane, and I am now routinely putting in 12 to 14 hours a day 7 days a week. I don't think, at my age, I can keep up that pace much longer. Cheers Ted > > Ron > > > > On 19/09/2014 12:20 PM, Ted Byers wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Ron Wheeler >> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com> wrote: >>> >>> They are suggesting that you will use the one that OFBiz already has for >>> that purpose. >>> Nothing new to do. Just create the module identification and then the >>> issues >>> that you need in order to define the work on the Workflow project. >>> >> I am suggesting nothing of the sort. Rather, I am just curious as to >> who pays for the use of this particular commercial product. And, I am >> curious as to what open source alternatives exist and how they >> compare. >> >> As a software engineer, I HATE reinventing the wheel. Thus, if I were >> involved in OFBiz much earlier in its development, I would have >> suggested facilitating use of it WITH SugarCRM (or it's competitor, >> whose name I have quite forgotten at the moment), instead of >> developing a whole new contact management system within OFBiz, and for >> content management, I would have suggested facilitating use of OFBiz >> WITH Wordpress, again instead of developing a whole new content >> management system. But then, if the available options for particular >> tasks is deemed wanting for whatever reason, I'd have no objection to >> the development of new code, either to try to use these (obviously >> open source) products while adding code to address perceived >> deficiencies or to create a competitor de novo (there are sometimes >> good reasons for doing this too). >> >> But, in this present context, I am only interested in the cost of the >> present practice, and who pays, and the decision making process that >> led to use of jira instead of the alternatives (if there are viable >> alternatives). Understanding this may well inform my own decisions in >> the not too distant future. >> >> I am not, at present, interested in recommending changing anything, >> especially if those who are actually doing the work are happy with >> what is presently in place. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ted >> >>> Rn >>> >>> On 19/09/2014 11:34 AM, Ted Byers wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Adrian Crum >>>> <adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Typically, this sort of thing is done in Jira - which provides a set of >>>>> collaboration tools and a means for voting on the change. >>>>> >>>> Jira is proprietary; so who pays for it? Or, is it free for open >>>> source projects, non-profit organizations or educational institutions? >>>> Is there not an open source equivalent? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>>> Adrian Crum >>>>> Sandglass Software >>>>> www.sandglass-software.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2014 2:17 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest an virtual meeting as an alternative so that the team >>>>>> can decide on scope, initial tasks, priorities and project management >>>>>> structure. >>>>>> This should be followed by a note to the ML summarizing the discussion >>>>>> and decisions taken and could include an invitation to others to >>>>>> participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> This might save several weeks of dancing on the ML. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19/09/2014 8:00 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Varun044, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The path is to work together with the contributors who pledged their >>>>>>> willingness to work on this. These are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Hans Bakker >>>>>>> - Mohd Viqar >>>>>>> - Rong Nguyen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The best place to do this is discuss it in this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre Smits >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional >>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade >>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM, varun044 <varun...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks you for the prompt reply Pierre. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if I have to implement workflow in ofbiz now, which is the best >>>>>>>> path? >>>>>>>> Should I check into Activiti? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have some resources on the same, kindly share. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OfBiz-workflow-tp4655455p4655462.html >>>>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ron Wheeler >>> President >>> Artifact Software Inc >>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com >>> skype: ronaldmwheeler >>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Ron Wheeler > President > Artifact Software Inc > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com > skype: ronaldmwheeler > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 > -- R.E.(Ted) Byers, Ph.D.,Ed.D. t...@merchantservicecorp.com
