The way it is implemented now violates the "do no harm" principle, which
includes years of documentation (and books) that supports the traditional
use of java property files.  The user has said that he has tried off/on for
6 months to get email notifications to work. In fact, I didn't even know
about this 16.x behavior.   Here is a suggestion:

Assumes seeded via CommonSystemPropertyData.xml... Or other, similar
XXX_propertyData.xml files...

If the SystemProperty table has a systemPropertyID called "ConfigFile"
and "systemPropertyValue"
path exists, then the property file has precedence, and always does a 1-way
sync to the DB.

If the SystemProperty table does not have "ConfigFile" key, then do
nothing.  The DB has precedence.

If the SystemProperty table has a "ConfigFile" entry, and "systemPropertyValue"
path does NOT exist, the system will create it once, and from that point
forward the property file is referenced for future loads.

Example:

<entity-engine-xml>
    <SystemProperty systemResourceId="general"
systemPropertyId="ConfigFile"
systemPropertyValue="framework/common/config/general.properties"
description="config file used for general"/>

By default (seed), the property file should exist and have precedence.  If
you are doing advanced stuff like multi-tenant, then you need to be more
vigilant and set "ConfigFile" and it's path more carefully in the
SystemProperty table.


On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> This could be a solution for this specific problem if we get a consensus.
> OFBIZ-7754 is related
>
> To summarize: the problem is, because of OFBIZ-7112, if you use the same
> seeds than in 13.07 you will get nothing which can even be more confusing.
> That's why we have values in SystemProperty, this was done with r1748560.
>
> While at it, and about OFBIZ-7754 what about the other SystemProperty in
> other seed or seed-initial data files.
> seed-initial: WorkEffortSeedInitialData CatalogSystemPropertyData
> OrderSystemPropertyData BiSystemPropertyData ProjectMgrSystemPropertyData
> seed: CommonSystemPropertyData EcommerceSystemPropertyData
>
> I note that we have no other solutions yet than EntityUtilProperties to
> handle properties in multi-tenants.
> There is another related topic: we need to be sure to keep the
> SystemProperty and the properties in file synchronised as shown in
> OFBIZ-9924
> I wonder if a solution could not be to remove any property which has a
> related SystemProperty. What do you think about that?
>
> So we need to get a consensus, or even a vote if necessary, to definitely
> resolve these issues.
>
> For that I exceptionally cross post this discussion in dev ML and it
> should be continued there.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 15/02/2018 à 18:22, Mike a écrit :
>
>>   but to comment them out of the ofbiz-component.xml.
>>>
>> +1
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Michael Brohl <michael.br...@ecomify.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that the default population of SystemProperty with configuration
>>> values is confusing, especially for the mail configuration
>>>
>>> I'd suggest to not remove the load data but to comment them out of the
>>> ofbiz-component.xml. They can stay there as an example but would not be
>>> loaded by default.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 15.02.18 um 17:07 schrieb Mike:
>>>
>>>    Jacques: I understand the value of the feature.  What I'm referring
>>> to is
>>>
>>>> somebody, in 16.x, hard-coded the above values in "seed", which caused
>>>> the
>>>> problem for this user.
>>>>
>>>> This is an advanced feature, and caused a lot of confusion.  I'd
>>>> recommend
>>>> that the 16.x CommonSystemPropertyData.xml be edited to remove all
>>>> "systemPropertyValue="
>>>> entries.
>>>>
>>>> 13.07: ./framework/common/data/CommonSystemPropertyData.xml
>>>>
>>>> Here is the latest version of 13.07, which does not hard-code these
>>>> values.
>>>> None of the 13.07 seed data have "systemPropertyValue=" set.
>>>>
>>>> systemPropertyId="ORGANIZATION_PARTY
>>>> systemPropertyId="VISUAL_THEME"
>>>> systemPropertyId="currency.uom.id.default"
>>>> systemPropertyId="country.geo.id.default"
>>>> systemPropertyId="partner.trackingCodeId.default"
>>>> systemPropertyId="defaultFromEmailAddress"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.notifications.enabled"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.relay.host"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.auth.user"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.auth.password"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.port"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.starttls.enable"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.port"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.class"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.fallback"
>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.sendpartial"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike, thanks for asking
>>>>
>>>>> This controversial feature has been initially discussed with
>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/be3ts56b5w22k6pz
>>>>>
>>>>> We currently have some related pending Jira about that (sorry maybe a
>>>>> bit
>>>>> too much, also a way to remind/check myself before discussing again in
>>>>> dev
>>>>> ML)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-7112
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-7754
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6166
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6164
>>>>>
>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/i4rubhbo7wlm4wts
>>>>>
>>>>> https://s.apache.org/oTA6
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6712
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6205
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6210
>>>>>
>>>>> Because this is now entrenched in OFBiz for many years, and I guess
>>>>> used
>>>>> by many customs projects, it will maybe hard to get back.
>>>>> But then we need a better documentation. Beginning as simply as I
>>>>> proposed
>>>>> below. And we need to agree and fix the pending issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 14/02/2018 à 16:49, Mike a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques:  Why does ofbiz 16.x set real properties
>>>>>
>>>>>> in: ./framework/common/data/CommonSystemPropertyData.xml?  This is
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> "seed"... It hard-codes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="ORGANIZATION_PARTY" systemPropertyValue="Company"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="VISUAL_THEME" systemPropertyValue="FLAT_GREY"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="currency.uom.id.default" systemPropertyValue="USD"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="country.geo.id.default" systemPropertyValue="USA"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="defaultFromEmailAddress" systemPropertyValue="
>>>>>> ofbizt...@example.com"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.notifications.enabled" systemPropertyValue="N"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.port" systemPropertyValue="465"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.starttls.enable"
>>>>>> systemPropertyValue="true"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.port"
>>>>>> systemPropertyValue="465"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.class"
>>>>>> systemPropertyValue="javax.net.ssl.SSLSocketFactory"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.socketFactory.fallback"
>>>>>> systemPropertyValue="false"
>>>>>> systemPropertyId="mail.smtp.sendpartial" systemPropertyValue="true"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which seems to override general.properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:55 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Pierre!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is indeed something which is tricky for new users and even easily
>>>>>>> forgettable in general.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before I post about SystemProperty and EntityUtilProperties on dev
>>>>>>> ML,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> want to suggest here that we put a comment at the top of each
>>>>>>> properties
>>>>>>> file as a reminder that the properties there could be overridden in a
>>>>>>> SystemProperty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 12/02/2018 à 21:32, pierre.gaudin a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, have a look at SystemProperty entity for key
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mail.notifications.enabled
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2018 19:53, Mike wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For TLS (mail.smtp.starttls.enable=true ), use port 587
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Дмитрий Цыганок <d...@kapitanweb.ru>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've deployed Ofbiz several times, but each time with the right
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> settings,
>>>>>>>>>> email notifications are not sent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are my settings from /var/www/ofbiz/framework/commo
>>>>>>>>>> n/config/general.
>>>>>>>>>> properties:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unique.instanceId=ofbiz1
>>>>>>>>>> currency.uom.id.default=USD
>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIZATION_PARTY=Company
>>>>>>>>>> VISUAL_THEME=RAINBOWSTONE_SAPHIR
>>>>>>>>>> currency.decimal.format=#,##0.00
>>>>>>>>>> currency.rounding.default=10
>>>>>>>>>> currency.scale.enabled=N
>>>>>>>>>> locale.properties.fallback=en
>>>>>>>>>> #locales.available=ar,de,en,es,fr,hi,it,nl,pt,ro,ru,th,zh
>>>>>>>>>> #timeZones.available=US/Eastern,US/Central,US/
>>>>>>>>>> Mountain,US/Pacific,US/Alaska,US/Hawaii
>>>>>>>>>> country.geo.id.default=USA
>>>>>>>>>> partner.trackingCodeId.default=
>>>>>>>>>> usps.address.match=(^.*?p[\\. ]*o[\\.
>>>>>>>>>> ]*box.*$)|(^.*?post.*?office.*
>>>>>>>>>> ?box.*$)|((^|(^.*?
>>>>>>>>>> ))r[\\. ]*r[\\. ]*(( +)|([0-9#]+)).*$)|(^.*?rural.*?route.*$)
>>>>>>>>>> defaultFromEmailAddress=dmtsyga...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> mail.notifications.enabled=Y
>>>>>>>>>> mail.notifications.redirectTo=d...@kapitanweb.ru
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.relay.host=smtp.gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.auth.user=dmtsyga...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.auth.password=*******
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.port=465
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.starttls.enable=true
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.socketFactory.port=465
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.socketFactory.class=javax.net.ssl.SSLSocketFactory
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.socketFactory.fallback=false
>>>>>>>>>> mail.address.caseInsensitive=N
>>>>>>>>>> mail.debug.on=N
>>>>>>>>>> mail.smtp.sendpartial=true
>>>>>>>>>> http.upload.max.sizethreshold=10240
>>>>>>>>>> http.upload.tmprepository=runtime/tmp
>>>>>>>>>> http.upload.max.size=-1
>>>>>>>>>> mail.spam.name=X-Spam-Flag
>>>>>>>>>> mail.spam.value=YES
>>>>>>>>>> Ofbiz always issues this error in the logs and the mail is not
>>>>>>>>>> sent:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> " 2018-01-17 22:21:19,562 |OFBiz-JobQueue-1     |EmailServices
>>>>>>>>>>          |I| Mail notifications disabled in general.properties;
>>>>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> subject [test] not sent to addressee [ d...@kapitanweb.ru   "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also tried different mail accounts, but the result is always the
>>>>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What could be the reason? Please help me to solve this problem.
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much in advance!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>

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