Hello Dennis, On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 21:54, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote:
> I tried to stress test using https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/ but now I > can only add one guest per client machine (if I try to add a second, the > first gets dropped). > What do you mean by dropped? the room is disconnecting? or audio/video is dropped? can you try different browsers or isolated chrome (like in the experiment with fake cameras) > This is different than before. I have 3 laptops and 3 smart phones at my > place so I can go up to 6 video pods. Don't know how to get more. > > Also I installed the snapshot on my Linode. I try to be very careful with > the upgrade process. Now when I navigate to [domain name]:5443/openmeetings > I get a 404 NotFound error. The logs don't seem to give me any entries > related to this. Any suggestions? > Hard to say without logs, please check catalina.out then openmeetings.log > > Dennis > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 08:23 +0300, Ali Alhaidary wrote: > > I also registered an hour ago, but got no email till now. however, got the > vitrification email for the next site... > On 10/25/20 7:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > according to logs: email was sent without errors > I manually activated your account > you can login > > On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 11:20, dww <dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > > I did, I am waiting on verification email > > On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 23:09 -0500, Denis Noctor wrote: > > Simply register an account... getting confusing with all the > > “Denis’s” 😂 > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Oct 24, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Dennis Worthem <dwort...@mykolab.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I saw those, but how do I request access? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> > > > Date: 10/24/20 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > > > To: user@openmeetings.apache.org > > > Cc: Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> > > > Subject: Re: docker container clustering experiments #1, Please > > > respond > > > > > > > > > https://openmeetings.apache.org/demo.html > > > > > > > > > .......... > > > > > > El sáb, 24-10-2020 a las 14:09 -0400, dww escribió: > > > > What are the urls to the demo servers? > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 13:19 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > > > > Hello Denis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 12:01, Denis Noctor < > > > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi there Maxim... when a new build is made... is this > > > > > > automatically replicated on the OM demo servers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yep > > > > > both servers were just updated :) > > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case, I’d be happy to test it out once my > > > > > > class is over tomorrow afternoon, test it out and give some > > > > > > feedback. Last time I had checked there was a #116 build > > > > > > since #115... either way, if I needed... to open up a new AWS > > > > > > instance, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > On a separate note @Ali Alhaidary ( > > > > > > ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org)... given the nature of your > > > > > > website... I would assume that the current limitation(s) > > > > > > regarding the number of users per room would have been > > > > > > identified at an earlier stage... your regular queries are > > > > > > intriguing but ... if you do work out a solution... rather > > > > > > than piecing everything on a step by step basis... I also > > > > > > think we would all benefit as to what your overall ideas / > > > > > > interests might be so we can all contribute. I look forward > > > > > > to hearing more on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is the paragraph i don't get :((( > > > > > this last fix was based on observation: 7 users can't work in > > > > > one room, but can in 2 rooms > > > > > this gave me a hint > > > > > hopefully in builds #115+ this will be improved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk soon, Denis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik < > > > > > > solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please test build #115+ from here > > > > > > > > https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to confirm if audio/video streams in the room > > > > > > > are more stable :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please NOTE configuration has been changed > > > > > > > most valuable configurable parameters are now > > > > > > > in ./webapps/openmeetings/WEB- > > > > > > > INF/classes/openmeetings.properties :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 13:50, Denis Noctor < > > > > > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi there Maxim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you've mentioned that you are working on a few > > > > > > > > alternatives since this email but I thought it best to > > > > > > > > get back in touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you will see from the attached screenshot, I mustered > > > > > > > > up a few computers (equally spread over 2 wifi networks > > > > > > > > in my home... in different parts to reduce sound feedback > > > > > > > > etc. as I do not have enough headsets). A few points to > > > > > > > > take into consideration... some of these computers are > > > > > > > > older than others... varying in RAM and CPU... but ALL > > > > > > > > were using the latest version of Chrome. This is what I > > > > > > > > noticed: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While you can see from the screenshot, there are 7 users > > > > > > > > in a room (6 of which using 120x90 screen res and 1 using > > > > > > > > 320x240 - audio and vid channels open)... there had been > > > > > > > > some issues. I let the room open for about 40 mins but > > > > > > > > some video pods "dropped" from some computers... with no > > > > > > > > indication as to whether users were still active or not. > > > > > > > > Sometimes I had to "reconnect" video and audio on others. > > > > > > > > Some computers showed all 7 connections... while others > > > > > > > > showed 3... but AFTER I added an 8th user (via an Amazon > > > > > > > > Fire tablet) "Video / Audio" pods began to drop from a > > > > > > > > lot of the computers... showing only 3-4 videos pods... > > > > > > > > and disconnecting users... and sometimes being unable to > > > > > > > > reconnect... or refresh their screen (on one computer... > > > > > > > > Chrome became unresponsive). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I added the "8th user" to the group... sound quality > > > > > > > > dropped... with a very "scratchy" interference noise for > > > > > > > > all users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Things were much more stable with 5 users in a room. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, as you can imagine... this is a "one room" > > > > > > > > scenario. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I have mentioned that I was using older to newer > > > > > > > > computers and tablets (based on what is available to > > > > > > > > me)... all of them were able to perform okay in Microsoft > > > > > > > > Teams and Zoom scenarios (tested)... but obviously with > > > > > > > > varying degrees of performance due to speed, cpu, ram > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems to be a major issue and I am happy to test > > > > > > > > everything out on the OM demo sites and give feedback > > > > > > > > over the next few days if you would like. My next > > > > > > > > question would be... if that you had 2 similar rooms / > > > > > > > > classes open under the same circumstances... would the > > > > > > > > overall performance be even worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tested this on a single AWS server, Ubuntu 18.04, > > > > > > > > 8 gigs ram server etc (OM 5 M4... yes, I know, I know... > > > > > > > > will upgrade soon... but assume this issue has crossed > > > > > > > > over to other versions - I will retest on the OM demos > > > > > > > > online.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope some of this feedback helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:08 AM Maxim Solodovnik < > > > > > > > > solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Denis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please let me know if 10 users in the room will be OK > > > > > > > > > we need to change the way cluster works in case current > > > > > > > > > configuration is not stable/powerful enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 13:33, Denis Noctor < > > > > > > > > > denisnoc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Actually... this is something that had crossed my > > > > > > > > > > mind recently. Previously, I’ve had on average 5 > > > > > > > > > > users per group... but on occasion if there more than > > > > > > > > > > 5 users (in and around 7-10) some users... some would > > > > > > > > > > intentionally drop drop their cam... and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > mic... (I thought it might have been due to bandwidth > > > > > > > > > > issues on their side)... but I’ve got my own kids > > > > > > > > > > taking online classes via their schools... whereby > > > > > > > > > > there are a min of 20 attending a class and so on > > > > > > > > > > (different platforms etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have about a combination of 5 to 6 computers at > > > > > > > > > > home due to home office / covid restrictions etc. and > > > > > > > > > > am happy to log in to either the OM demo sites or > > > > > > > > > > others to try replicate this scenario. (and my own, > > > > > > > > > > of course). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, I’ve been reading up on WebRTC and Kurento > > > > > > > > > > regarding connectivity limitations regarding audio > > > > > > > > > > and video... this has been covered a lot recently in > > > > > > > > > > previous posts in this forum... and from memory it is > > > > > > > > > > somewhere between 200-300 connections... (per server? > > > > > > > > > > / instance?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example... if you have 5 users in a room (using > > > > > > > > > > audio and video) this will result in 5 (users) x 5 > > > > > > > > > > audio connections x 5 video connections... giving > > > > > > > > > > “125” connections... but if you have 7 users in a > > > > > > > > > > room receiving and experiencing audio and vid... that > > > > > > > > > > is 7x7x7= 343 connections... which obviously exceeds > > > > > > > > > > the connections as per previous posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had a scenario whereby 3 classes were held at > > > > > > > > > > the same time on the same AWS instance... and nobody > > > > > > > > > > has reported a problem (yet... or they unknowingly > > > > > > > > > > downplayed it due to internet bandwidth problems > > > > > > > > > > etc.)... but the max number of students per room has > > > > > > > > > > been 4-5.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to test this more with others, if you are > > > > > > > > > > up for it and am watching this carefully. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a scheduled meeting with 10 participants next > > > > > > > > > > week and am now nervous... and curious to see how it > > > > > > > > > > works out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:57 PM, dww < > > > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea why the client browser > > > > > > > > > > seems to limited to 5 > > > > > > > > > > > video pods when each user connects with both video > > > > > > > > > > and microphone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to definitely max out the CPU(s) on the > > > > > > > > > > client computer. How > > > > > > > > > > > do other applications like Zoom or Microsoft Teams > > > > > > > > > > get around this > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Do they throttle back the streaming of the > > > > > > > > > > video pods or views > > > > > > > > > > > of many or most of the pods and do it in some kind > > > > > > > > > > of round-robin > > > > > > > > > > > update? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I just doing something wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any response would be appreciated. I would like to > > > > > > > > > > start uses OM for > > > > > > > > > > > meetings next month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 17:40 -0400, dww wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> When creating 3 guests on each of 2 other laptops > > > > > > > > > > that I run into the > > > > > > > > > > >> same issues,so it seems that the main limitation > > > > > > > > > > is the number of > > > > > > > > > > >> video/audio pods within a client. Is there anyway > > > > > > > > > > to get around that > > > > > > > > > > >> as > > > > > > > > > > >> it implies that one annot have more than 4 or 5 > > > > > > > > > > guests with both > > > > > > > > > > >> video > > > > > > > > > > >> and audio? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dennis > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 13:00 -0400, dww wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> Yes I get the same result, however, this does not > > > > > > > > > > appear to be a > > > > > > > > > > >>> valid > > > > > > > > > > >>> stress test of kms. This stress tests a client > > > > > > > > > > machine with > > > > > > > > > > >>> multiple > > > > > > > > > > >>> tabs or browser windows each with connections and > > > > > > > > > > determines that > > > > > > > > > > >>> it > > > > > > > > > > >>> is > > > > > > > > > > >>> CPU bound. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> It seems the only way to stress test kms is to do > > > > > > > > > > this with > > > > > > > > > > >>> multiple > > > > > > > > > > >>> client machines. I have 3 laptops here and a > > > > > > > > > > couple of smart phones > > > > > > > > > > >>> so > > > > > > > > > > >>> I will try distributing the client windows among > > > > > > > > > > all of them. > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dennis > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Sun, 2020-10-18 at 10:56 +0700, Maxim > > > > > > > > > > Solodovnik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 desktop? so i can use UI > > > > > > > > > > >>>> if you are using server I would recommend `htop` > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 10:54, dww < > > > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> May I ask for your linux command line that got > > > > > > > > > > the CPU > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> percentage > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> for all cores? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> thanks, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Dennis > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 2020-10-17 at 12:59 +0700, Maxim > > > > > > > > > > Solodovnik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hello, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i just have tried the following script > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> started as `./run10.sh 5` > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> everything seems to work, but my CPU was 800% > > > > > > > > > > busy (all cores > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> were 100% busy) > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> without `--use-fake-device-for-media-stream` > > > > > > > > > > parameter I had > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> lots > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of permission errors due to camera was > > > > > > > > > > "captured" by first > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> browser > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> other have reported "Camera busy" error > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> _HASH_HERE_ - should be replaced with real > > > > > > > > > > hash (I have > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> created > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> endless invitation hash to the private > > > > > > > > > > conference room) > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> the script > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #!/bin/bash > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i=$1 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> if [ -z "${i}" ]; then > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> i=30 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> fi > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> let "i += 0" > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> rm -rf /tmp/delme* > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> while ((i--)); do > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #echo "${i}" > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> mkdir /tmp/delme${i} > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> #local conference > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chromium-browser --user-data- > > > > > > > > > > dir=/tmp/delme${i} --disable- > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> infobars --no-default-browser-check --allow- > > > > > > > > > > insecure- > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> localhost > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> use-fake-device-for-media-stream ' > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > https://localhost:5443/openmeetings/hash?invitation=_HASH_HERE_&language=1 > ' > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> & > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> done > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 09:10, dww < > > > > > > > > > > dwort...@mykolab.com> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I mentioned earlier that I wanted to > > > > > > > > > > experiment with > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> clustering > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> using > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> docker swarm for the kms service. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I wanted to establish a base line using one > > > > > > > > > > container for > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> kms. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> All the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> components are in one Linode with 8 GB of > > > > > > > > > > RAM. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> For this experiment. I start entering the > > > > > > > > > > video and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> whiteboard > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> room > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> from my admin login from Firefox on one > > > > > > > > > > laptop. I allowed > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> both > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> video > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and microphone and the video pod was the > > > > > > > > > > lowest resolution. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> generate > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> a guest url to the room. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On another laptop also on the same connection > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> internet > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> enter > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the room on firefox and allow both video ( > > > > > > > > > > lowest > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> resolution) > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> microphone on a new tab each time. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Up to 4 guest clients load quickly and the > > > > > > > > > > pods are created > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> almost > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> immediately on all 5 tabs. On the first > > > > > > > > > > attempt on the 5th > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> guest the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> pod for this guest on the admin laptop took a > > > > > > > > > > couple of > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> minutes > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to load > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the video. On the 5th guest tab, the pods for > > > > > > > > > > guest 1, 2 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 4 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> would > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> not refresh( pod frames present but no video. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> RAM and CPU usage was not significant on the > > > > > > > > > > server. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I closed the tabs for all the guests and > > > > > > > > > > redid the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> experiment, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> first 4 guests again loaded quickly without > > > > > > > > > > any issues. The > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 5th > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> guest > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> loaded to completion but took about 40 > > > > > > > > > > seconds for all 6 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> tabs > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> complete. On the 6th guest there were > > > > > > > > > > multiple connection > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> drops > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> retries and the tabs were reduced to about 3 > > > > > > > > > > pods working, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> others > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> gone, this was on all tabs. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> So based on this it seems that up to 5 users > > > > > > > > > > using both > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> video > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> microphone seem to work fine. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Does this agree with anyone else's > > > > > > > > > > experience? I had from > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> other > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> posts > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> that we can expect 14-15 users per kms > > > > > > > > > > instance. Does both > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> laptop on > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the same network have any influence on this? > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I will try a swarm next after I gets some > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > > -- Best regards, Maxim
