> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:42 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: philosophical question/poll about Struts/JSTL, scriptlets
>
>
> > Using scriptlets, to me is like going back to the bad old days of
> > out.println("<html");.
>
> Over the last two weeks, i had to do a major refactoring of
> an application.
> This involved spiltting a person class down into person and
> profile, and
> everything that was linked to person now linking to profile.
>
> It took me a day or so to fix the java code, but the jsps
> took forever!
>
> During this process i was thinking about how much easier it
> would be in i
> was doing html using out.println("<html");!!!!!!!
Oh sure... you say that now.... I can't type out without the .println(" anymore....
*SIGH*
>
> The reason for this, is using pure java, once the app is
> broken (put the new
> class in, and change references in the beans) it's easy to go
> through the X
> thousand errors it highlights and fix them.
>
> But using jsp, there was no way to find these errors without
> checking every
> damm page!
>
> The check, fix, build, deploy, recheck cycle takes about 3 mins per
> itteration!
Are you restarting the server, or the app? On tomcat it takes me about 30 seconds to
do the same... then again that's on my own local server with nothing else running.
> The same process for java files in eclipse takes a matter of seconds!
>
> Kind of ironic eh?
Not really.... You're right though.. we need better tools :)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Barrows [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 27 August 2004 18:35
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: philosophical question/poll about Struts/JSTL,
> scriptlets
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Woodchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:22 AM
> > > To: struts
> > > Subject: philosophical question/poll about Struts/JSTL, scriptlets
> > >
> > >
> > > sorry to bring this up on a Friday...
> > >
> > > does everyone here have pure Struts/JSTL jsp pages that
> is absolutely
> > > void of scriptlets?
> >
> > Every single one but the main layout page, because I haven't
> > figured out a better way to use tiles putList.
> > I avoid them like the plague.... they're almost, imho, as bad as
> > javascript. Then again I have nightmares about
> > out.println("<html>").......
> >
> > >
> > > or do you have jsp pages that use a combination of Struts/JSTL and
> > > scriptlets, all living together harmoniously using
> whichever method is
> > > easiest/cleanest?
> >
> > Depends.. I turn everything over to a html person. The lesss
> > scriptlets I use the happier she is.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > is mixing Struts/JSTL with traditional scriptlets a bad thing?
> >
> > I thinks so... ymmmv
> >
> > >
> > > i have to say that i would prefer to *not* mix scriptlets with
> > > Struts/JSTL but in some situations it seems scriptlets is
> the better
> > > solution (in terms of code maintainability). that is, it would be
> > > easier to use a little snippet of scriptlet here and
> there instead of
> > > making a round-about (albeit clever) and more verbose way
> of doing the
> > > same thing without scriptlets...
> >
> > Depends on what you're talking about.. and who you're talking
> > about. If your code is never going to be seen by anybody but
> > java programmers,then you may be correct.
> >
> > >
> > > any opinions is welcome! i want to be able to sleep without
> > > nightmares
> > > about this!! :)
> >
> > Most programmers would probably find that the scriptlets are
> > somewhat easier...however I also look at tags as method calls, in
> > terms of encapsulation. I don't need to know what they do, just
> > that they do it. I don't really care how <html:radio generates a
> > radio html bit, just that it does so in a manner that makes my
> > life easier, like only having to know the property name etc. etc.
> > I have several tags that print lists of things.... change the tag
> > and I've changed the way the lists are retrieved. That can be
> > harder to do in a scriptlet.
> > Using scriptlets, to me is like going back to the bad old days of
> > out.println("<html");.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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