no no no, you guys are playing the game wrong.

i bring my 32oz Easton (tm) black magic baseball bat to these meetings.
 i don't have problems getting my way.

the truth is weak, we need to help it get heard!

woodchuck



--- Simon Chappell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, it *can* be a liability to mention anything that management
> don't want spoken of. For example: we're about to start a selection
> process for a continuous integration tool and someone (name withheld
> to protect the innocent, but it wasn't me) mentioned (name of tool
> withheld to protect the innocent). Management immediately went into
> damage limitation and spin control mode. It would have been funny if
> it wasn't so sad.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:51:33 -0800, Dakota Jack
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Whatever the corporate game, it would not be a liability to know
> the
> > respective merits of various frameworks in making a presentation. 
> If
> > someone with authority or with the money decides they want to do
> > something I don't like, that has never impacted me.  The only time
> I
> > have really suffered is either from my ignorance or my arrogance. 
> So,
> > I have suffered a lot!  LOL
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:22:57 -0500, Fogleson, Allen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yeap that is the game. I have been a first option kind of guy for
> a long
> > > time. This particular project was not mine at inception, or
> > > construction, I ended up with it in my lap at transition time.
> > > Unfortunately for me I had to do the apologizing/explaining :)
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:18 AM
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks
> > >
> > > Ahh yes, the ol' architecture approval game. I have played this
> game
> > > so often that it's not even funny anymore. And it's always at big
> > > companies. Sigh.
> > >
> > > The only options are 1) comply and get very little done or 2)
> slip
> > > into stealth mode, get things done and then appologise like crazy
> > > after they discover what you did. For most people I recommend the
> > > first option. I dabbled with the second option for a while, but
> then
> > > my employer declared that downloading unauthorised software could
> be
> > > grounds for dismissal. I'm strictly a first option kinda guy now.
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> > ~Dakota Jack~
> > 
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