Brandon-
Keeping in mind that No inductive generalisations can qualify from these
premises
The last time I checked The price for the aforementioned is pegged at
1c/hour
which by my calculations qualifies as 'outsourcing the outsourcers'
This is the MSRP ..Your mileage may of course vary depending on your
usage
habits..
Viel Gluck,
M-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Goodin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>; "Martin Gainty"
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations
[OT]
Where do you work!? I am going to notify your boss of you disgruntle
behavior on this list!!! No wonder why we have H1Bs. They never
complain and just take their 2 cents an hour.
And I mean that in the best possible way :p ;-) :D
Brandon
On 7/6/05, Martin Gainty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately in the US you can be canned for being too old or having
> the
> wrong religious views
> we have a ton of laws on the books but they are unenforced
> My question is how do I (an older engineer with politically incorrect
> views)
> get work in Germany
> Vielen Danke,
> Martin-
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bollmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <user@struts.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Fired???? was...Re: Struts Books Recommendations
> [OT]
>
>
> > On Wednesday 06 July 2005 19:48, Rick Reumann wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> Daniel Perry wrote the following on 7/6/2005 12:49 PM:
> >> > Hah, it's the business use of web/email they fire you for. Go read
> >> > your terms of employment, and the reference to "IT acceptible use
> >> > policy" that you inadvertantly agreed to.
> >>
> >> (the below has nothing to do with Mark)..
> >>
> >> For the record, I'm not against an employer firing an employee for
> >> 'whatever' reason they deem fit. If they don't like the way you wear
> >> your hair, I think they should have the right to fire you if they
> >> want. (The public also has a right to know about it based on the use
> >> of the press etc).
> >
> > Now though I'm clearly not in the position to get fired anytime soon,
> > I still think as long as I'm doing my job right and don't blame the
> > company I work for, what I do in my leisure time is not my
> > employer's business. Including my haircut, age, religious beliefs
> > or whatever. What I sell are my skills, work performance and
> > last but not least a significant part of my lifetime, but neither
> > my soul nor my private life. In Germany, it's not quite that easy
> > to get rid of someone who, lets say, just got older because of
> > working for you. And I think this is just. Stealing silver spoons,
> > including deliberately breaking company rules in terms of
> > e-mail usage and the like is another issue.
> >
> >> Personally, if I owned a company and someone was using the company
> >> email domain name to post on sites such as "swingers" or
> >> "transvestitepride," I think I should have right to terminate his or
> >> her's employment. What I have a problem with is ...
> >>
> >> 1) The inconsistency in what is protected. For example everyone
> >> today
> >> talks about "tolerance." But what does this mean? What it ends up
> >> meaning is "There are no moral absolutes so the only valid belief
> >> system protected is one that doesn't espouse moral judgments." But
> >> what about being tolerant to the idea that someone might feel
> >> otherwise? Why is state sanctioned secularism the only valid
> >> religion (and yes secularism is a belief system - a religion). It's
> >> sort of funny that those whom often claim to be the most 'tolerant'
> >> are often the most vicious when it comes to attacking someone that
> >> disagrees with their view of "tolerance." There are many views I
> >> could state that would get me labeled as being 'intolerant,' yet,
> >> somehow it's supposedly not offensive to state "All views on X,Y,orZ
> >> are equally acceptable." To me, and many others, that later position
> >> can be considered extremely offensive. Why is only one view (secular
> >> humanism) considered 'non offensive' but other religious views are
> >> some how bigoted and intolerant. It's pure hypocrisy.
> >
> > In Germany, in a major part thanks to the US (I mean it!), religious
> > freedom, for instance, is granted to everyone in our Constitutional
> > Law (Art. 4 GG). Getting fired just because of one's religious views
> > is impossible by law. So I, who believes in Jesus Christ as my
> > personal
> > saviour and follows the Bible as his above-all-worldly-wisdom guide
> > can happily work together with Hindus and common atheists, in-
> > cluding my boss. I can even tell them if they're on the road to
> > eternal doom, the same as they may tell me I'm ridiciously wrong,
> > and still keep my job. And in fact, the Bible is quite intolerant
> > when
> > confronted with modern secularism, but what's my choice? As
> > for general opinions and secular beliefs, we have Art. 5 GG
> > which grants freedom of speech. So there's no need for
> > hypocrisy here at all. On the other hand, I definitely never
> > would use a company e-mail address for anything other
> > than business communication, and whoever deliberately
> > chooses to do otherwise may just have to face the fruits
> > of his dauntness. Or his dumbness, if you will.
> >
> >> 2) Someone taking the time on the list to 'complain' to someone's
> >> employer. Sure you have the right to do so, but I think it's lame.
> >
> > Quality never goes out of style, but good manners may. Possibly
> > a matter of education and attitude. I won't judge.
> >
> > -- Christian.
> >
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