> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 17:12 > An: Struts Users Mailing List > Betreff: Re: Who decides? > > Ted Husted wrote: > > Sometimes, we hear about people "voting with their feet". Here, we > > invite people to vote with their hands, by collaborating on > code and > > documentation. It's not up to anyone else. It's up to everyone who > > volunteers. Here, the only decisions that matter are patches and > > commits, because without commits, nothing can change. > > Interesting... It's not really up to those that "vote", it > is always in the end up to those that "commit". Every time a > contribution is turned away, that is in essence saying "your > vote doesn't count, at least this time", isn't it?
I agree with Frank that, what Ted says, is nice and right and everything, but it's the theory. The real life shows it's cold shoulder. I don't know whether my example fits your question, but at least it fits the topic of the thread, so it came in handy. As you might know, or not know, there is an issue with tomcat 5. To make it short: You can not use struts (or probably most other jakarta projects) with tomcat 5. The issue has been submitted. There is a patch available. The bug became 16 votes (btw. some struts commiters voted too), which is by far most votes on open tomcat 5 bugs right now. So far to the community part. The tomcat developers or probably the tomcat developer in lead, Remy Maucherat, refuses to fix it. So who really decides? Anyone, but not the community and not the users. (And please don't think that struts is safe from that) > > > Discussion is good. Stepping up to the plate and making a > difference is better. > > But how many times have people stepped up and been stopped > from making a difference? In the end, isn't it the > committers that have the power to direct where things go, > regardless of what the community "votes"? As Craig said, a > good community-driven project will listen to the community. Yes, and it seems that "community-driven projects" are not to be found at apache. Regards Leon P.S. In case you didn't know it yet, here is the link to the tomcat issue: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36541 P.P.S. By the way, when goes struts warn their users, that struts 1.1, 1.2.x and 1.3 aren't compliant with tomcat 5? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
