>Actually you bring up one of the reasons I'm not in love JSF at the 
>moment. I know most people like the idea of using pre-built or custom 
>renderers and get all googly eyed over the nice things you can get 
>out-of-the-box from MyFaces or Oracle ADF, but I guess I'm still 
>old-school and like the control of building the front end how I want 
>with simple JSTL and html. From my brief time with JSF I felt sort of 
>constrained having to use the DataTable (I think that's what it was 
>called:) to iterate over stuff for display purposes etc. Not saying the 
>concept of renderers is bad at all and I guess a set of common controls 
>is pretty cool. I just know from experience that pre-built stuff always 
>ends up having to be tweaked to meet some crazy business requirement I 
>end up having to deal with. At least when I'm working with straight html 
>(and the annoying dhtml stuff) I can create everything how I want.

You may want to look into writing a custom renderer to address some of these 
issues.



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