On Wed, March 15, 2006 12:13 pm, Greg Reddin said: > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: > >> I value honesty and openness above all else, and when I >> feel like those ideals are not being met completely, even if >> relatively >> beningnly as is the case in sales generally, it bugs me a bit. > > Hmm, interesting. I value honesty and openness as well. I just > don't expect to see it in marketing material. I guess I don't even > "desire" it in marketing material. I tend to skip over marketing > altogether and look for the truth below.
I don't think your alone in that. In fact, I have no problem submitting that I am almost certainly the anomaly :) It's just one of those things that sticks in my craw a bit... if someone is going to start off by not being straight with me, to whatever relatively minor degree it may be, and even in a situation where it's expected, that bugs me. Then again, I'm probably the easiest guy to sell a car too... be straight with me from the start, and even if your story (read; price) isn't as good as the salesman who isn't as straight, you probably made the sale :) >> From a purely *technical* standpoint though, as I've said >> before, I'm not at this point a fan of JSF. That being said, I'm >> in no >> way dismissing it forever. In fact, I look forward to the next >> major rev >> as I hear a great many things are being addressed that may well >> make it >> more paletable to me. Where it came from and the motivations >> behind it >> are at this point largely just a historical discussion. Where it >> is and >> where its going is far more interesting to me :) > > I'm in a similar place, though, perhaps a bit closer to acceptance. > I've completed one proof of concept project based on JSF and found a > lot of difficulties. Again, some aspects of it worked better than > Struts, others cried out for Struts :-) My biggest difficulties came > in trying to get the JSP pages to work right. I too await the next > version and hope for improvement. But I really liked the controller > strategy. Isn't it interesting how polarizing JSF seems to be? I don't know about you, but I talk to more people with a strong opinion either way than most other technologies. The only other one I can think of in the same vein is EJBs. Seems like you either love EJBs or you hate them, and the same seems, largely, to be true of JSF. There seems to be relatively few of us in the middle. Maybe it's just the typical "those with the strongest opinions tend to speak the loudest" syndrome though :) It's also interesting that a lot of people seem to start out with a strong opinion and gravitate towards the middle, at least in my experience. I certainly had a stronger negative opinion at one point than I do now for instance. Eh, just curiosities of group-think I suppose :) > Greg Frank --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
