Dave Newton wrote:
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
If someone says to you "the sky is purple", and totally believes it
themselves, but you believe it isn't true yet you say nothing, aren't you
on an intellectual level lying?
No, you're just not saying anything.
Maybe I watched too many Star Trek: TNG speeches on the duty of Star
Fleet officers first and foremost to the truth ;) I have NEVER claimed
to be anything other than a geek!
Being agnostic-tending-towards-atheistic if I go to a Christian church
and somebody tells me there is a god am I "intellectually lying" if I
don't enter into a debate about it?
I'm sure I have an answer for that, but I'm not sure what it is at the
moment :)
My feeling is that if you see something that you don't agree with that you
think can be made better, you have an obligation to speak up and try. You
may fail miserably, but again, inaction is worse than being wrong IMO.
I just don't see it that way; that's all. I do not have an obligation to
fix (or try to fix) everything I think can be made better. There is
_too_much_that_needs_fixing_ and the overwhelming guilt I would feel at
my inevitable failure would be unbearable. The world is an imperfect
place and will remain that way despite any effort on my part. Does this
mean I am completely inactive? Of course not. But I must pick my battles
wisely.
That's fair. And I certainly am not out trying to fix everything I see
wrong in the world either. God knows the universe hasn't existed long
enough to pull that off!
I've had a number of things I'd like to fix in Microsoft Windows and the
US government yet I am rarely approached to contribute my ideas, and my
own approaches have been strangely ignored (I think making solar thermal
heating systems on new buildings, at the very least commercial ones,
mandatory is about the most sensible idea I've ever had but it hasn't
happened yet :(
Run for office... I'd support you on that idea! :)
So I guess it's a good thing they weren't "taken in to the fold?" ;)
Yep, exactly what I've said in the past :) It ultimately, I believe,
turned out for the better because it went in a different direction that
I think is ultimately more useful to more people.
But seriously... if you wanted AjaxTags to get exposure then limiting
yourself to the Struts newsgroup (which is the only place I ever saw
anything about it) probably isn't the best way to go about it. Guerrilla
Marketing! If beating your head against one wall doesn't work, beat it
against another... and another... until you stop leaving little spoogy
red marks! :D
If you mean AjaxTags in its current form tt actually has been mentioned
elsewhere:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36665
http://www.programmersheaven.com/zone13/cat553/42318.htm
http://wiki.osafoundation.org/bin/view/Projects/AjaxLibraries?rev=1.24
http://www.jroller.com/page/javawug?entry=editor_s_report_of_bof
http://husted.com/central/Resources/Action/articles-2006.html
http://scuttle.org/tags.php/library+web
http://www.digitalhobbit.com/archives/2005/09/25/java-web-parts/
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/22/2219234
http://www.codecomments.com/archive245-2005-9-626845.html
http://www.shadows.com/usertags/crichey/OpenSource
http://www.furl.net/furled.jsp?topic=java+development
(and only some of them were done by me!)
If you meant the original version, your right... I could have done more
to try and build a community and make it harder to reject them from
Struts itself.
I think this is one lesson I've learned since then... better to do
something and let a community grow around it than try and build the
community first. That's what I'm trying to do with JWP... I'm taking
the "if you build it, they will come" approach, rather than the "hey, if
I build this, will you come?" approach. This is something Ted has said,
and I have to admit I probably didn't get it a year ago. I think I do
now. That's also why I'm not bitter about the things I suggested not
getting in. I realize now that my approach was not optimal, and I think
I've learned from the experience.
I don't feel obligated to open my mouth every time I disagree with
someone ;)
Hehe... apparently I do :)
And I think you have the right attitude. But can you really say that,
from a technical standpoint, you don't expect that a committer knows what
they're talking about?
I keep my hopes high and my expectations low ;)
Always a good way to ensure your satisfied :) I had many a happy
Christmases growing up with that approach!
Certainly that should be one prerequisite for
being a committer on *any* project, shouldn't it?
"Should" implies a level of obligation I am uncomfortable with in this
context.
(One of my more irritating catch-phrases that my friends really wish I
wouldn't say any more ;)
I _hope_ that anybody contributing code to a project is a good
programmer and hopefully a good designer.
Wait, back up... I said prerequisite for being a COMMITTER. And I'm not
even so much talking about code quality... I'm talking about knowing the
project. And, let me be clear, I don't expect ANY committer to know ALL
the details of any given project. But, there should a certain level of
understanding though IMO, and the other committers are the ones that
decide what that level is.
I know with JWP for instance, before I invited either of the two
committers to join, I wanted to see a couple of submissions so I could
try and guage them. Not just the quality of their code, but their
overall understanding of the project, and their general mindset too. It
was just me at the time, so I was the one that had to be comfortable
with their abilities. Now, any new committer would have to be judged by
all of us.
This, by the way, is one place where I don't really think the community
should have much say. Oh, I think the community should be able to
perhaps nominate someone, either explicitly or just by virtue of that
person being highly-regarded. But, the existing committers have to be
comfortable with the person, and that decision shouldn't be left to the
community I think. I think the typical attitude is "we will invite
those that we feel deserve it", and I think that's as it should be.
Memo to the menfolk: if your womanfolk asks you "would you love me any
less if I got fat" do NOT, I repeat do NOT reply with "How could I love
you any less?"
HAHAHAH!! Thanks Dave, that made my Friday!
Dave
Frank
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