I don't know about you, but my email comes organized so that I can easily work around anything that happens on a list. I would think that this is fairly normal and something we could expect? I can remember when the dev list would say "Heh, take that stuff to the user list". But, if things go to the dev list I am "down with that". I really think that this is an important topic. A lot of talent is not going to get hooked into Struts, as it has not in the past, if we continue that way things are. I am interested, by the way, in everyone's input.
On 3/25/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dakota, > > Thanks for wanting my input :-) I am not looking for censorship, > but I am looking for productive discussions and sometimes that means > pruning one discussion for the sake of another. I tend to agree that > this thread should move onto the dev board; it seems to be the appropraite > place, in my eyes, for discussion on project management, patches, and > the future vision of Struts. I don't think it is a difficult thing > to transpose these discussions there, so, if probably will hold off on > this > thread until it moves over. I just don't want to penalize true user > questions here, since some people need real development help, and I think > having a ton of philosophical inbound mail detracts from it. > > Paul > > --- Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I for one would be interested in what you have to say, Paul. I > think > > it is too bad that you feel you cannot answer on this list. That is as > > close to a tragedy as it gets. I cannot believe how censorship works on > > this list. What a sad thing. I want to get peoples' ideas on this. I > > cannot get them if this list is afraid to talk because Craig comes on > and > > says "shut up". Nothing could be more relevant to this community than > why > > it failed. To suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or facist or > both. > > > > On 3/25/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Johnathan, > > > > > > I am going to eat my own advice. I am going to respond > > > to this privately :) Expect an email soon. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > --- Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Paul Benedict wrote: > > > > > +1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint > > > > > continuously heard in public, some of the latter postings can be > > > > > shared privately. Most of it was good, and I think it generated > > > > > much good; thanks for sharing. > > > > > > > > Well, my problem on this right now is that I just don't have > closure. > > > > > > > > I asked the basic question of why Struts development stagnated and > > > > people who really should have by now really grappled with this > question > > > > and considered it, simply disengaged, and some even started with the > > > > insults and such. > > > > > > > > I don't really like putting you on the spot, Paul (with other > people, I > > > > don't mind so much but you seem like a basically okay guy) but I'm > just > > > > going to ask you the same question I asked a whole bunch of other > people > > > > and never got any answer from. > > > > > > > > What, in your opinion, are the reasons that Struts development > > > stagnated? > > > > > > > > I know I'm being a hard-nosed SOB but I also know that the question > is > > > > well-formulated, valid, and broadly on-topic for a Struts list. > > > > > > > > I'm sure you have an opinion on this subject, Paul. If you won't > share > > > > your views, I'd be curious as to why. You see, I'm developing the > > > > impression that the above question is basically taboo somehow. > > > > > > > > Once you pose this question, people just start coming out of the > > > > woodwork screaming at you to shut up and stuff. So, at this point, I > > > > pretty much have developed a morbid fascination and am inclined to > > > > simply ask the question to everybody and see how they react. :-) So > now > > > > I am asking you... :-) > > > > > > > > Jonathan Revusky > > > > -- > > > > lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>>No matter where the conversation developed, it has gone in > directions > > > that > > > > >>>are off topic on this list. Please feel free to continue the > > > conversation, > > > > >>>but do it somewhere else. > > > > >> > > > > >>(About to break my own "I'm done posting in this thread" rule)... > > > > >> > > > > >>Even I, as someone who was knee-deep in this thread for a while, > agree > > > > >>with Craig. The problem is it was a discussion for a while, but > has > > > > >>become people just talking over one another now. > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm all for people expressing their viewpoints, no matter how > > > unpopular, > > > > >>but at some point it becomes obvious that no one is listening to > one > > > > >>another, and then it's an exercise in futility. > > > > >> > > > > >>No one can stop anyone else from posting, not without locking > someone > > > > >>out from the list anyway, which I hope never happens to anyone, > but at > > > > >>some point everyone has to come to the realization that the > > > conversation > > > > >>has past the point of being useful in any real way. If no one's > > > opinion > > > > >>was changed 30 posts ago, chances are it's not going to happen > now. > > > > >> > > > > >>Besides, if the points being raised are valid at all, this thread > > > won't > > > > >>be the last of its kind... Someone will at some point start > another > > > and > > > > >>it'll all come out again, so why not hold back some of the talking > > > > >>points for next time? ;) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>Craig > > > > >> > > > > >>Frank > > > > >> > > > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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