OK, I'm not a lawyer, not even close. But I did a search on the Apache.org and the only reference for capitalization of Apache in official policy that I came across was from a document that was marked obsolete and marked superceded in 2009 - last decade... So I looked in the new replacement trademark documentation and saw that Apache was only spelled with an uppercase A in the document, including usage examples. However the statement that "Apache must be uppercase A" was not there, and I have to assume that it was explicitly removed, rather than accidentally omitted.
If we need an official call, that's apache-legal, right St.Ack? Is it worth it to worry about that? I saw that Steve's earlier question there hasn't gotten any responses, and I hate to bring up something this trivial for no good reason... -Carol P. --------------------------------------------------------------- Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com Twitter: @CarolP222 --------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: > 'A' or 'a' doesn't matter I'd say. > St.Ack > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> It's better to stand out as long as it doesn't violates some rule... :) >> Carol might know the answer to whether lowercase does. >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Sean Broeder <sean.broe...@esgyn.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I know there has been some talk of using lower case in Trafodion, but do >>> we want to extend that to Apache? I’ve done some non-exhaustive searches >>> and can’t find any instance where the leading ‘A’ is not capitalized. I >>> think we should follow that pattern. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 12:31 PM >>> >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to >>> propose the following draft as a candidate: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version >>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on >>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but >>> that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from >>> Google Fonts: Telex Regular. >>> >>> >>> >>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm >>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gunnar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson < >>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and >>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion >>> fits into the puzzle ;-) . >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be >>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the >>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our >>> traffic comes from. >>> >>> >>> >>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday? >>> >>> >>> >>> -Carol P. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy < >>> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are >>> serious. >>> >>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the >>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will. >>> >>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name. >>> >>> >>> >>> Venkat >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper < >>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems we might need multiple votes: >>> >>> - One color or multiple colors? >>> >>> - Thin font or thick font? >>> >>> - One font or two fonts? >>> >>> - Apache or not… >>> >>> >>> >>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J >>> >>> -clr >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Cc:* Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper < >>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> -1 all same color. >>> >>> >>> >>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to >>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to >>> read about it? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as >>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet. I >>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rohit >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> >>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> >>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the >>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached. >>> >>> >>> >>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the >>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK). >>> >>> >>> >>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the >>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here >>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication >>> of "Apache". >>> >>> >>> >>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks --Qifan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> -1 >>> >>> >>> >>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rohit >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. >>> >>> >>> >>> A simple change: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8 >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gunnar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Option 4!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Trina >>> >>> >>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well. Though I would >>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out >>> and I'm not fond of it overall... >>> >>> >>> >>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at >>> all.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Ken! >>> >>> >>> >>> -Carol P. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. >>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion. Like the dragon to sit on the >>> right, not on top of Trafodion. But the font in #4 looks more professional >>> (perhaps also in lower case). >>> >>> >>> >>> Weishiun >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), >>> but with the placement of option 6. >>> >>> >>> >>> That said, either one is fine. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 option 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 option 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that. >>> >>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name. >>> >>> >>> >>> Option 4 >>> >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> Option 6 >>> >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited >>> field testing! >>> >>> Comments on 4 & 6? >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So we >>> could try with a simple bold font . Perhaps with an outline of a different >>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as >>> well. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another >>> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the >>> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my >>> favorite). >>> >>> >>> Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary. The original is >>> a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, >>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon >>> and post another version of that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense. >>> >>> Cheers, Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: >>> >>> +1 on dragon. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson < >>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 on the Dragon!!! Looks great! >>> >>> >>> >>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it >>> separately. Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is >>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the >>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon >>> carries. >>> >>> >>> >>> St.Ack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Carol P. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>> >>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 for Dragon. >>> >>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color -1. IMHO we need to rework the >>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and >>> complicated with the cursive. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> +10 for dragon! Very cute! >>> >>> >>> >>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else >>> likes... I give it a +0 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements >>> really well the yellow elephant! >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -clr >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s >>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have >>> that issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM >>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo. >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite >>> some time ago, but we never really resolved it. In the very early days of >>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo >>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a >>> simple cute dragon. >>> >>> >>> >>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose >>> that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dragon standalone - >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> Trafodion name & dragon - >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s >>> look too similar. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? Should we vote on this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Amanda Moran >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gunnar >>> >>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gunnar >>> >>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, --Qifan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, --Qifan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Gunnar >>> >>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> Gunnar >> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >> > >
