Hi, I think we need to let our contributors in China have a little time to digest this since they just came back from a weeklong holiday and then we can do a formal vote later this week.
But yes, right now it looks like 13 and 4g are the top to contenders. -Carol P. --------------------------------------------------------------- Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com Twitter: @CarolP222 --------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> ... >> If we need an official call, that's apache-legal, right St.Ack? Is it >> worth it to worry about that? I saw that Steve's earlier question there >> hasn't gotten any responses, and I hate to bring up something this trivial >> for no good reason... >> >> > It would be apache legal, yes. They can be slow sometimes. > St.Ack > > > > >> -Carol P. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >> Twitter: @CarolP222 >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: >> >>> 'A' or 'a' doesn't matter I'd say. >>> St.Ack >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> It's better to stand out as long as it doesn't violates some rule... :) >>>> Carol might know the answer to whether lowercase does. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Sean Broeder <sean.broe...@esgyn.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I know there has been some talk of using lower case in Trafodion, but >>>>> do we want to extend that to Apache? I’ve done some non-exhaustive >>>>> searches and can’t find any instance where the leading ‘A’ is not >>>>> capitalized. I think we should follow that pattern. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gun...@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 12:31 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to >>>>> propose the following draft as a candidate: >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version >>>>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work >>>>> on >>>>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but >>>>> that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded >>>>> from >>>>> Google Fonts: Telex Regular. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm >>>>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gunnar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson < >>>>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and >>>>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion >>>>> fits into the puzzle ;-) . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to >>>>> be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in >>>>> the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most >>>>> of >>>>> our traffic comes from. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Carol P. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy < >>>>> venkat.muthusw...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we >>>>> are serious. >>>>> >>>>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the >>>>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product >>>>> name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Venkat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper < >>>>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems we might need multiple votes: >>>>> >>>>> - One color or multiple colors? >>>>> >>>>> - Thin font or thick font? >>>>> >>>>> - One font or two fonts? >>>>> >>>>> - Apache or not… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J >>>>> >>>>> -clr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Cc:* Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper < >>>>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -1 all same color. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting >>>>> to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts >>>>> to read about it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as >>>>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet. I >>>>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rohit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Qifan Chen <qifan.c...@esgyn.com> >>>>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) >>>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the >>>>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the >>>>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the >>>>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here >>>>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the >>>>> duplication of "Apache". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks --Qifan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.j...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> -1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rohit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gun...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) >>>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A simple change: >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gunnar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.k...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Option 4!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Trina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well. Though I >>>>> would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too >>>>> spaced >>>>> out and I'm not fond of it overall... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at >>>>> all.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ken! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Carol P. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper < >>>>> tapper.gun...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them >>>>> both. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. >>>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.t...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion. Like the dragon to sit on the >>>>> right, not on top of Trafodion. But the font in #4 looks more >>>>> professional >>>>> (perhaps also in lower case). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Weishiun >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), >>>>> but with the placement of option 6. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That said, either one is fine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owh...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 option 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.he...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 option 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Option 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Option 6 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited >>>>> field testing! >>>>> >>>>> Comments on 4 & 6? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So we >>>>> could try with a simple bold font . Perhaps with an outline of a >>>>> different >>>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zel...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with >>>>> another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on >>>>> the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still >>>>> not my favorite). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary. The original >>>>> is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of >>>>> quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on >>>>> something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon >>>>> and post another version of that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 on dragon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson < >>>>> carol.pearson...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 on the Dragon!!! Looks great! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it >>>>> separately. Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' >>>>> is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the >>>>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon >>>>> carries. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> St.Ack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Carol P. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Email: carol.pearson...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>>> sandhya.sundare...@esgyn.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 for Dragon. >>>>> >>>>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color -1. IMHO we need to rework >>>>> the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and >>>>> complicated with the cursive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.mo...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +10 for dragon! Very cute! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else >>>>> likes... I give it a +0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c...@esgyn.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements >>>>> really well the yellow elephant! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> -clr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birds...@esgyn.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and >>>>> o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t >>>>> have that issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknh...@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM >>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org >>>>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite >>>>> some time ago, but we never really resolved it. In the very early days of >>>>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo >>>>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a >>>>> simple cute dragon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose >>>>> that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dragon standalone - >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> Trafodion name & dragon - >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and >>>>> a’s look too similar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? Should we vote on this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Amanda Moran >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gunnar >>>>> >>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gunnar >>>>> >>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, --Qifan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, --Qifan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gunnar >>>>> >>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>> >>> >>> >> >
