"This is totally normal for users who connect with username and
password rather than client certificates."
Hi Justin -- Judging from the information in this thread, it appears
that my setup is working correctly as I am using username and password
(via Spring Boot spring.artemis.* settings) for client connections to
Artemis. I haven't been able to trace the origins of the 172.x.x.x
addresses
so I will keep researching that. I truly appreciate your help with my
questions (that goes for you too, Frank).
Thanks very much,
Steve
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 11:51 AM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Seems misleading and unuseful to output something that cannot be obtained
> ("DN: unavailable") but I don't know what the code thinks it's doing.
>
> I explained this briefly in my previous email, but I'll elaborate a bit
> more now.
>
> The login module configuration in login.config is loaded by the JAAS
> implementation provided by the JVM. As far as the broker is concerned it is
> a black box.
>
> Therefore, the broker doesn't know if the clients should be submitting
> username and password or SSL certs or both (all of which are valid
> configurations) and so when it logs details about a failed authentication
> attempt it includes all the details which may be relevant. The assumption
> here is that whoever is inspecting the logs understands the configuration
> of the broker and will be able to interpret the log message to understand
> the exact nature of the failure.
>
> Assumptions are dangerous, of course, and this could be misleading.
> However, I deemed not providing sufficient information for all cases a
> worse possibility when I implemented this functionality 5 years ago via
> ARTEMIS-1306 [1].
>
>
> Justin
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-1306
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 5:13 AM Frank Crow <fjcrow2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Generally speaking, it's more common for applications to authenticate
> > with
> > username and password than with client certificates.
> >
> > In some government/DOD applications we use client-side certificates, not
> > for authentication of the user, but for "host identity", i.e., they must
> > still be valid for the TLS handshake to occur but are not used by the
> > authentication layer.
> >
> > Seems misleading and unuseful to output something that cannot be obtained
> > ("DN: unavailable") but I don't know what the code thinks it's doing.
> >
> > Just FYSA.
> >
> > -Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:33 PM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Are you expecting it to say (literally) "DN: unavailable"?
> > >
> > > This is totally normal for users who connect with username and password
> > > rather than client certificates. The broker logs both the username and DN
> > > because the JAAS authentication layer is ultimately a black box so the
> > > broker doesn't know for sure what credentials the client should submit.
> > > Given the fact that the username is logged as "artemis" rather than
> > "null"
> > > I think it's safe to say that the user is attempting to authenticate with
> > > username and password and not client certificates.
> > >
> > > Generally speaking, it's more common for applications to authenticate
> > with
> > > username and password than with client certificates.
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 6:00 PM Frank Crow <fjcrow2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > >
> > > > Are you expecting it to say (literally) "DN: unavailable"? Without
> > > > knowing anything else about your configuration, I'd suspect there's
> > > > something not quite right about the client side certificates or perhaps
> > > the
> > > > CA chain.
> > > >
> > > > I would expect the Distinguished Name to reflect the client's "subject"
> > > on
> > > > the cert. But again, just a guess.
> > > >
> > > > On my configuration -- granted it's ActiveMQ classic, it's a bit
> > > different
> > > > -- I often check the server side with (on Linux):
> > > >
> > > > openssl s_client -connect host:5671 -showcerts -cert certificate.cer
> > -key
> > > > key.pem
> > > >
> > > > That assumes that you have x509 PEM formatted certificate and key
> > files.
> > > > If you have DER formatted files you can add "-certform DER" and/or
> > > > "-keyform DER" to the command. If you have PKCS#12 you'd have to
> > > convert
> > > > it first.
> > > >
> > > > -Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 4:46 PM Steve Hiller <
> > > steve.hil...@randstadusa.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Justin,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the quick reply! I just wanted to make sure I didn't do
> > > > > something wrong from a security point of view.
> > > > > In particular, I'm trying to understand why certain 172.x.x.x
> > > > > addresses keep causing the warnings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 4:14 PM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This looks like a normal WARN message about a connection attempt
> > from
> > > > an
> > > > > > unauthenticated user. It's not a problem, per se. You can adjust
> > the
> > > > > > logging to omit it if you want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have reason to believe this WARN message is not legitimate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Justin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 3:07 PM Steve Hiller <
> > > > > steve.hil...@randstadusa.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am going the following warning in the logs for my
> > > > > > > kubernetes-deployed Artemis instance:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2022-11-30 20:18:10,015 WARN
> > > > > > > [org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server] AMQ222216: Security
> > > problem
> > > > > > > while authenticating: AMQ229031: Unable to validate user from
> > > > > > > /172.28.2.78:57456. Username: artemis; SSL certificate subject
> > DN:
> > > > > > > unavailable
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This message is produced for a variety of IP addresses and ports
> > > but
> > > > > > > all for username artemis. I've done some googling but didn't see
> > > any
> > > > > > > clear advice. My setup is as follows:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Single Artemis instance, deployed to a Google kubernetes cluster,
> > > > > > > using the Docker image based on the
> > > > > > > apache-artemis-2.26.0-Source/artemis-docker sample.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any advice on this issue would be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve Hiller
> > > > > > >
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