Well I'm impressed by the cocoon wiki, if that's what its gonna be then its
fine. I don't know and care abt how wiki works or whatever, all I and most
other users would care about is to find all the information in an easy to
read, reasonably pretty (like the cocoon wiki)and organized location on the
web.

Vikas



-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PowerPoint presentation

boy, we really should change some perceptions about wikis here :D

Including an image in a wiki is as simple as specifying its URL. It is 
way easier to create a diagram and put it on our wiki than to create a 
diagram and put it on our website. Alternatively, you can upload an 
image and attach it to the wiki page by typing 
'attachment:someimage.gif' in the page 'source'. The same goes for other 
kinds of content.

As an example of a project that has successfully used a wiki to improve 
its documentation, take a look at cocoon. Their docs used to be worse 
than avalon's, which changed quite quickly after setting up their wiki:

        http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp

Another famous example of a project that has "Edit this page" 
functionality for its entire website is mozilla:

        http://doctor.mozilla.org/

Pawel X Karendys wrote:
> I think you need to be careful placing too much weight on the Wiki. It 
> forces one to do more-or-less text-based documentation and, as you all 
> know, Avalon's documentation can not be called "diagram-rich". ;)  To me, 
> Wiki should be treated only as a pre-documenation stage/container for hot 
> thoughts and ideas before the real thing is going to be produced.

to me, wikis are the content management system idea "done right". Easy 
web-based editing, seperation of content from presentation, and 
evolvable in every possible direction.

For example, have you had experience actually using a wiki internal to 
your organisation? It has helped one or two projects I was involved with 
tremendously.

If apache is a company, and avalon a division, the wiki is our open 
collaboration space (CVS, on the other hand, is closed).

> People 
> should be able to read/download a comprehensive documentation that 
> explains concepts using diagrams supported by reasonable good explanation.

that is the goal. Totally agreed. Additional goals include up-to-date 
documentation, well-structructured documentation, objective 
documentation, etc etc. But I really can't see why an "edit this page" 
link gets in the way of that :-D

-- 
cheers,

- Leo Simons

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