>We have added information about this in Camel in action,
> chapter 3 when we drill down and work the Processor which exposes the
> Exchange API.
I just took a look but could not find such information in chapter 3. But
perhaps this version of the book has yet to be released?

Thanks,

/Daniel

2010/9/24 Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>

> Perfect!
>
> /Bengt
>
> 2010/9/24 Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com>
>
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Yeah I remember reading about the problems with losing message headers
> > >> somewhere on this list...
> > >>
> > >> To be perfectly honest I think that the number of mails on this thread
> > >> indicates the importance of documenting these rules and how things
> work.
> > >> Claus, you are most definitely the man to do it. I've got your book
> > (haven't
> > >> read the last updates though) and it certainly warrants a place there.
> > >> Perhaps it should also be on the wiki somewhere.
> > >>
> > >
> > > We have added information about this in Camel in action,
> > > chapter 3 when we drill down and work the Processor which exposes the
> > > Exchange API.
> > >
> >
> > I also added a couple of FAQs as well, such as
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Using+getIn+or+getOut+methods+on+Exchange
> >
> > >
> > >> /Bengt
> > >>
> > >> 2010/9/14 Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Bengt Rodehav <be...@rodehav.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> > I think that was very useful information. I hadn't thought of a
> > Processor
> > >>> as
> > >>> > very low level - it's definitely a level that a lot of us will use.
> > Then
> > >>> I
> > >>> > guess that in some circumstances (like when coding a custom
> > processor)
> > >>> you
> > >>> > need to set the out messsage if the MEP is "out capable" otherwise
> > you
> > >>> just
> > >>> > set the in message. Are there more situations where this is needed?
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>> If the MEP is out capable you can still just change the IN message.
> > >>> If the OUT is null, then Camel will re-use the IN (which you just
> > >>> changed) and thus still route whatever you have changed.
> > >>>
> > >>> You only need to use OUT if you want to create a totally 100% new
> > >>> message which is not related to the IN message at all.
> > >>> And this is only needed in special cases.
> > >>>
> > >>> Otherwise you get the problem with: Why do I lose my message headers
> > etc.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > I think that this subject is definitely complicated enough to
> warrant
> > a
> > >>> good
> > >>> > documentation somewhere. I think it's really important for
> developers
> > to
> > >>> > understand core concepts instead of just using boilerplate samples
> > >>> (although
> > >>> > they are very useful).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > /Bengt
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2010/9/14 Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Müller
> > >>> >> <christian.muel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >> > Hello Claus!
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > That's not (in my opinion) how it works currently. At present I
> > work
> > >>> on a
> > >>> >> > route which looks like this:
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > errorHandler(
> > >>> >> >  defaultErrorHandler()
> > >>> >> >    .retryAttemptedLogLevel(LoggingLevel.DEBUG)
> > >>> >> >    .retriesExhaustedLogLevel(LoggingLevel.INFO));
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > onException(IllegalArgumentException.class)
> > >>> >> >  .handled(true)
> > >>> >> >  .maximumRedeliveries(0)
> > >>> >> >  .beanRef("myResultProvider", "failureResponse");
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > from("cxf:bean:MyCoolService")
> > >>> >> >  .processRef("myValidator") // validates conditional rules
> > >>> >> >  .inOut("direct:mySubroute")
> > >>> >> >  .beanRef("myResultProvider", "successResponse")
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > If my validator throws a IllegalArgumentException and the result
> > >>> provider
> > >>> >> > writes the response into the in message, the web service will
> > return
> > >>> >> null.
> > >>> >> > But if I write the response into the out message, the web
> service
> > will
> > >>> >> > return it. So, I changes my bean to the following "pattern":
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Well that could CXF Bean component having a bug.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> If you decide to use a Processor and work on Exchange then you use
> > the
> > >>> >> low level Camel API and then you have to handle the IN/OUT stuff
> > >>> >> yourself.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> > if (exchange.getPattern().isOutCapable()) {
> > >>> >> >  exchange.getOut().setBody(response);
> > >>> >> > } else {
> > >>> >> >  exchange.getIn().setBody(response);
> > >>> >> > }
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > And that's the same how the
> > >>> >> org.apache.camel.processor.ConvertBodyProcessor
> > >>> >> > works (I know you know this, but for the other guys.. :o) )
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > public class ConvertBodyProcessor implements Processor {
> > >>> >> > ...
> > >>> >> >    public void process(Exchange exchange) throws Exception {
> > >>> >> >        Message in = exchange.getIn();
> > >>> >> >        if (charset != null) {
> > >>> >> >            exchange.setProperty(Exchange.CHARSET_NAME, charset);
> > >>> >> >        }
> > >>> >> >        Object value = in.getMandatoryBody(type);
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >        if (exchange.getPattern().isOutCapable()) {
> > >>> >> >            Message out = exchange.getOut();
> > >>> >> >            out.copyFrom(in);
> > >>> >> >            out.setBody(value);
> > >>> >> >        } else {
> > >>> >> >            in.setBody(value);
> > >>> >> >        }
> > >>> >> >    }
> > >>> >> > ...
> > >>> >> > }
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Should our custom processors/beans/.. not work in the same way?
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Cheers,
> > >>> >> > Christian
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> --
> > >>> >> Claus Ibsen
> > >>> >> Apache Camel Committer
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
> > >>> >> Open Source Integration: http://fusesource.com
> > >>> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> > >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/davsclaus
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Claus Ibsen
> > >>> Apache Camel Committer
> > >>>
> > >>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
> > >>> Open Source Integration: http://fusesource.com
> > >>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> > >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/davsclaus
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Claus Ibsen
> > > Apache Camel Committer
> > >
> > > Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
> > > Open Source Integration: http://fusesource.com
> > > Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/davsclaus
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Claus Ibsen
> > Apache Camel Committer
> >
> > Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
> > Open Source Integration: http://fusesource.com
> > Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/davsclaus
> >
>

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