It is *NOT* OK to make defamatory comments about an organisation, individuals or groups of people and use rumour and innuendo to do so.
On 1 February 2013 15:31, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Rob, just drop it. You know very well James is right. A similar complaint > was made just a few days ago about Fuse's behavior. This is nothing new, > there is a long list of abuses from Fuse over quite a few years. > > James, I would not include RedHat here. RedHat employees are involved in > other ASF projects, yet that do not exhibit the same clique behavior and an > incomprehensible push for immediate financial or other gains. I kinda of > understood that when Fuse was desperate to sell, and now that they did, I > really hoped they stopped. Unfortunately it looks like like it. > > Rob is correct that the *rest of* the PMC was diligent in increasing the > diversity and protecting its mark, however the problems and challenges > didn't come from the outside. Funny thing... But we proved many a time that > we can take on a challenge, no biggie. > > Hopefully the Fuse clique will take the message and slow down (at least > for a while, because I am not naive enough to imagine that they'll ever > stop). So, you know, the ASF got (at least) one thing right: it's not the > companies, it's the people. > > James, hats(*) off for speaking your mind. Rob, think hard about this one. > If you're really keen on hearing more on this subject, I have no doubts you > will, but beware what you wish for. > > > Hadrian > (*) with both the PMC member *and* ASF member hats in his *hand*. > > > > > > On 02/01/2013 10:06 AM, Robert Davies wrote: > >> James - that's a strong statement. I think the Camel PMC is more >> diligent than most in protecting its diversity and marks. >> >> On 1 Feb 2013, at 14:44, James Carman <jcar...@carmanconsulting.com> >> wrote: >> >> I'm not a Camel committer or PMC member, but I *am* an ASF member and I >>> find it troubling how much Fuse/RedHat uses these lists to promote >>> themselves (like a picture of a camel wearing a red hat). Hopefully they >>> don't use their influence in any other inappropriate ways. >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:09 AM, James Carman <jcar...@carmanconsulting.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A picture of a camel with a red hat on with the words "Apache Camel." >>>> Really? >>>> >>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Charles Moulliard <ch0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> For our supporters/fans and people who belong in Apache Camel project, >>>>> I >>>>> would like to inform you that we have created a Google Plus community >>>>> for >>>>> Camel (https://plus.google.com/u/0/**communities/** >>>>> 106271384875356488225<https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/106271384875356488225> >>>>> ). >>>>> Don't hesitate to send us yours pictures/events and initiate great >>>>> discussion >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Charles Moulliard >>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) >>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>
