thx, but I still prefer this explanation https://youtu.be/zluKcazgkV4
On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 11:34 ski n, <raymondmees...@gmail.com> wrote: > Kotlin Coroutines and Java Virtual Threads are conceptually very similar. > In details and implementation they are different, of course. A good > presentation on comparing coroutines and virtual threads by Urs Peter: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOLChQ3fFQo > > I was just referencing Kotlin Coroutines btw, for Camel only virtual > threads are relevant. > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:01 AM bukaj_s <jsod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > sry I meant executor. > > > > On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 10:57 bukaj_s, <jsod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You are confusing coroutines and virtual threads. > > > Afaik you can try to use virtual thread pool, question is how much > > > synchronization is camel using under the hood. > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 10:34 ski n, <raymondmees...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> OK, thanks. It will take some (couple of years) before most libraries > > are > > >> catching up. > > >> > > >> At least, Spring Boot will already support Java 21 with virtual > threads > > in > > >> their next release ( > > >> https://spring.io/blog/2023/08/24/spring-boot-3-2-0-m2-available-now > ). > > I > > >> don't know exactly how they do it, but they ship Spring as a multi > > release > > >> Jar for this purpose. When running Spring on Java 21 you can enable > it ( > > >> > > >> > > > https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/wiki/Spring-Boot-3.2.0-M1-Release-Notes#support-for-virtual-threads > > >> ). > > >> > > >> I was thinking more or less in the same lines for Camel. For most of > the > > >> cases the underlying libraries needs to be updated, but for some stuff > > >> like > > >> Seda or Stream caching this may already work from within the libraries > > own > > >> code. > > >> > > >> Raymond > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:36 AM Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi > > >> > > > >> > No plan for virtual threads - this relies on 3rd party libraries and > > >> many > > >> > other frameworks starting to adopt them as well, which means Java 21 > > as > > >> > minimum base version. > > >> > Support for Java 21 is to run on JDK21. JDK17 will be primary > > supported, > > >> > and 21 secondary, that is the plan for this year. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:34 AM ski n <raymondmees...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > In integration there is a lot of Async I/O (calling disk, > databases, > > >> > api's > > >> > > and other external systems). Though Camel is very fast, it's > mostly > > >> these > > >> > > async I/O calls that take time and eat a lot of platform threads. > > >> > > > > >> > > For example: > > >> > > > > >> > > from("direct:start") > > >> > > .log("some log") //this takes less than 1 ms > > >> > > .setHeader(Exchange.HTTP_URI, constant("http://someapi";)) > //this > > >> takes > > >> > > less than 1 ms > > >> > > .to("http://someapi";) //this takes 3 seconds > > >> > > .setHeader("Result","Done") //this takes less than 1 ms > > >> > > .to("sql://insertindatabase") //this takes less than 1 seconds > > >> > > ; > > >> > > > > >> > > One solution to this is using virtual threads. They are already > part > > >> of > > >> > > Kotlin (coroutines), but now coming to Java as well in Java 21 > > >> (release > > >> > > 19th September). > > >> > > > > >> > > In the Camel 4 blog "What's new" it states that: > > >> > > > > >> > > "We plan to support Java 21 on next LTS released by the end of > this > > >> > year." > > >> > > > > >> > > Camel next LTS release (4.2) is expected around December. > > >> > > > > >> > > I was wondering what the plans here are with supporting virtual > > >> threads? > > >> > > Will they part of 4.2 or planned for later? > > >> > > > > >> > > Raymond > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Claus Ibsen > > >> > ----------------- > > >> > @davsclaus > > >> > Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2 > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
