Hi Nux,

Right now, yes. Rohit has done a lot of work to nest hypervisors under KVM, but 
has found shortfalls in it capabilities which has meant we can't do 
'everything' ( I don't know the details).




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-----Original Message-----
From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
Sent: 02 February 2016 11:14
To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss] Flexible CI/CD - Trillian

Hi Paul,

This is great news, good job, naming apart. :-)

Is ESXi a hard requirement on running Trillian?

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> To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org
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> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February, 2016 10:49:46
> Subject: [Discuss] Flexible CI/CD - Trillian

> Project: Trillian
> We have been working on PoC of a CI environment design which will:
>
> · Provide fast build or rebuild of environments for testing.
>
> · Enable multiple independent concurrent builds
>
> · Be available on-demand through automation or individual request.
>
> · Be capable of fully utilising all available hardware
>
> · Flexible enough to be used to build super-realistic development
> environments.
> We intend to contribute and maintain our work within the Apache repos.
> However, we are currently building the POC, figuring out the
> requirements (and quirks) of the individual pieces, before pushing
> something concrete for to the community to review.
>
> We envision that Trillian would cater for a number of use cases:
>
> 1. CloudStack community integration testing of master against multiple
> deployment scenarios (using ASF infra)
>
> 2. CloudStack community integration testing of PRs against multiple
> deployment scenarios (using ASF infra)
>
> 3. Organisations/individuals running the full suites of tests available in
> Marvin against any physical environment they have.
>
> 4. Organisations/individuals deploying and running the full suites of
> tests available in Marvin against virtualised infrastructures which
> can be deployed by Marvin.
> As we intend Trillian to test multiple environments concurrently, we
> use nested virtualization on ESXi hosts (our testing has shown that
> this is the only hypervisor which can support the nested
> virtualisation of all other hypervisors with reasonable performance).
> We use Ansible to deploy and configure all aspects of the build as
> this will greatly lower the barrier to entry for independent testers.
> We use CloudStack to provision the management server and virtualised
> (nested) hosts on the physical hosts. We are creating Ansible
> playbooks and roles which
> can:
>
> 1. Create guest instances using Rene’s Ansible 2.0 CloudStack modules - a
> Marvin VM, a Mgmt Server (CentOS or Ubuntu), any number of compute
> hosts (KVM, vSphere or XenServer. Hyper-V later)
>
> 2. Configure hosts (inc. installing the relevant CloudStack agent where
> required)
>
> 3. Install required ACS packages on management server
>
> 4. Configure a zone (including adding the compute hosts) via Marvin.
>
> 5. Run the required Marvin tests.
>
> 6. Return the results
> We may need to propose enhancements to Marvin in order to sync the
> configuration of hosts with the configuration used by Marvin.
>
> Using virtualised test environments, we can have multiple test
> scenarios running concurrently. To do this we have found that it is
> necessary to create pools or ranges of VLANs and IP addresses and
> allocate them to environments. So for any given physical environment
> which will be used for testing in, we take the total
> range(s) of IPs and VLANs available and carve them into
> non-overlapping chunks suitable for concurrent use as mgmt, public and
> guest networks. These are stored in a MariaDB database. When a range
> is being used in a testing environment, that range is marked as
> ‘inuse’ in the database. When creating a test environment, Trillian
> looks in the database for the next available VLAN range, the next
> available public IP range and so on. The returned values are used to
> populate a Marvin cfg file which in turn will be used to both build
> the environment and when running the Marvin testing. When the
> virtualised infra is cleaned up, the database will be updated to reflect that 
> the used ranges are available again.
> This initiative has only recently been started, and as stated earlier
> we are currently figuring out the requirements (and quirks) of the
> individual pieces and looking for the most suitable wrapper to glue it all 
> together.
> Also I have found that Marvin requires a little work to make the
> output more meaningful/readable (especially in the case of errors and
> exceptions) and to make it a little more intelligent about the tests
> it can/can’t run based on the chosen infrastructure components. I have
> also found unreachable or very slow ISO and template paths hardcoded into 
> Marvin or individual tests.
> We plan to enhance tests to address these issues and also reduce
> runtimes where possible.
>
> NEXT STEPS
>
> We will continue to our work on the PoC and share the results.
>
> We’d like to get some community agreement around the goals and use
> cases which we are planning to satisfy before we get too far down the
> road of our PoC. So please share your thoughts.
>
>
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