Hi Si,

Thanks so much for the follow-up!

> Could you tell us a bit more about your setup?

I've got a little lab setup, with a dedicated router, switch, and several 1U's 
that I can test with. Will eventually set up a little micro-environment with 
VLAN's and such but for now just trying to get things working - which is 
turning out to be much more difficult than it sounds.

> Hypervisor Type?

KVM for now

> Network design (basic or advanced)?

Basic; using a single 192.168.253.0/24 range for the various networks similar 
to what's shown here:
http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/en/4.11.1.0/installguide/hypervisor/kvm.html#configuring-the-networking

I've got the two bridges set up with the management IP assigned to cloudbr0 and 
no ip assigned to cloudbr1.

> Primary storage type?

I've tried NFS and local, though the result is the same regardless.

> CloudStack version?

4.11

> OS being used?

CentOS 7

More than just getting it working, I'd like to know where to find out what 
error is actually occurring here. I want to understand the details.

I'm guessing the NPE is because the API was expecting to get something back 
from the storage server and it didn't? Is the command that was sent logged 
anywhere? What about the result? If the command that was sent to the storage 
server threw an error, is there a way that I can see what the error was 
specifically?

Thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it.

--
Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Weller" <swel...@ena.com>
To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>, "jordan" <jor...@viviotech.net>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October, 2018 13:14:41
Subject: Re: Where to look when your SSVM creation NPE's?

Jordan,


Could you tell us a bit more about your setup?

Hypervisor Type? Network design (basic or advanced)? Primary storage type? 
CloudStack version? OS being used?

- Si
________________________________
From: Jordan Michaels <mic...@viviotech.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:26 PM
To: users
Subject: Where to look when your SSVM creation NPE's?

Hi Folks,

I've added a host to the CloudStack Management server but now I'm getting NPE's 
when the Management server tries to create the System VM's:

2018-10-18 06:20:26,052 DEBUG [o.a.c.f.j.i.AsyncJobManagerImpl] 
(Work-Job-Executor-40:ctx-ac017e0e job-1248/job-1621) (logid:b6f3dd96) Done 
executing com.cloud.vm.VmWorkStart for job-1621
2018-10-18 06:20:26,054 INFO  [o.a.c.f.j.i.AsyncJobMonitor] 
(Work-Job-Executor-40:ctx-ac017e0e job-1248/job-1621) (logid:b6f3dd96) Remove 
job-1621 from job monitoring
2018-10-18 06:20:26,073 WARN  [o.a.c.s.SecondaryStorageManagerImpl] 
(secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) (logid:f3c51c51) Exception while trying to start 
secondary storage vm
java.lang.NullPointerException
        at 
com.cloud.network.guru.DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru$2.doInTransactionWithoutResult(DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru.java:183)
        at 
com.cloud.utils.db.TransactionCallbackWithExceptionNoReturn.doInTransaction(TransactionCallbackWithExceptionNoReturn.java:25)
        at 
com.cloud.utils.db.TransactionCallbackWithExceptionNoReturn.doInTransaction(TransactionCallbackWithExceptionNoReturn.java:21)
        at com.cloud.utils.db.Transaction.execute(Transaction.java:40)
        at 
com.cloud.network.guru.DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru.getIp(DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru.java:173)
        at 
com.cloud.network.guru.DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru.reserve(DirectPodBasedNetworkGuru.java:161)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.engine.orchestration.NetworkOrchestrator.prepareNic(NetworkOrchestrator.java:1594)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.engine.orchestration.NetworkOrchestrator.prepare(NetworkOrchestrator.java:1565)
        at 
com.cloud.vm.VirtualMachineManagerImpl.orchestrateStart(VirtualMachineManagerImpl.java:1111)
        at 
com.cloud.vm.VirtualMachineManagerImpl.orchestrateStart(VirtualMachineManagerImpl.java:4930)
        at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor155.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)
        at 
com.cloud.vm.VmWorkJobHandlerProxy.handleVmWorkJob(VmWorkJobHandlerProxy.java:107)
        at 
com.cloud.vm.VirtualMachineManagerImpl.handleVmWorkJob(VirtualMachineManagerImpl.java:5093)
        at com.cloud.vm.VmWorkJobDispatcher.runJob(VmWorkJobDispatcher.java:102)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.framework.jobs.impl.AsyncJobManagerImpl$5.runInContext(AsyncJobManagerImpl.java:581)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.managed.context.ManagedContextRunnable$1.run(ManagedContextRunnable.java:49)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.managed.context.impl.DefaultManagedContext$1.call(DefaultManagedContext.java:56)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.managed.context.impl.DefaultManagedContext.callWithContext(DefaultManagedContext.java:103)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.managed.context.impl.DefaultManagedContext.runWithContext(DefaultManagedContext.java:53)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.managed.context.ManagedContextRunnable.run(ManagedContextRunnable.java:46)
        at 
org.apache.cloudstack.framework.jobs.impl.AsyncJobManagerImpl$5.run(AsyncJobManagerImpl.java:529)
        at 
java.util.concurrent.Executors$RunnableAdapter.call(Executors.java:511)
        at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:266)
        at 
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1149)
        at 
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:624)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748)
2018-10-18 06:20:26,076 INFO  [o.a.c.s.SecondaryStorageManagerImpl] 
(secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) (logid:f3c51c51) Unable to start secondary storage 
vm for standby capacity, vm id : 346, will recycle it and start a new one
2018-10-18 06:20:26,076 DEBUG [c.c.a.SecondaryStorageVmAlertAdapter] 
(secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) (logid:f3c51c51) received secondary storage vm alert
2018-10-18 06:20:26,076 DEBUG [c.c.a.SecondaryStorageVmAlertAdapter] 
(secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) (logid:f3c51c51) Secondary Storage Vm creation 
failure, zone: lab
2018-10-18 06:20:26,077 WARN  [o.a.c.alerts] (secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) 
(logid:f3c51c51) AlertType:: 19 | dataCenterId:: 1 | podId:: null | clusterId:: 
null | message:: Secondary Storage Vm creation failure. zone: lab, error 
details: null
2018-10-18 06:20:26,095 INFO  [o.a.c.s.PremiumSecondaryStorageManagerImpl] 
(secstorage-1:ctx-70aba7ab) (logid:f3c51c51) Primary secondary storage is not 
even started, wait until next turn

Based on the error, it sounds like there's an issue with the SSVM being able to 
communicate with secondary storage, but I don't know where to look for 
additional details about what's going on, or how the SSVM's actually work. I 
need more information. I've been stumbling around in the dark and making sure I 
have secondary storage added without errors to the cloudstack management 
server, I've configured the SSVM template... not sure what else could be wrong 
or where else to look.

Could someone point me in the right direction on where to look to get what's 
actually failing here?

Thank you in advance!

Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

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