Without further comments, we've gone ahead with Libera.Chat as the new home of #clusterlabs. There is a new wiki page with the channel details:
https://wiki.clusterlabs.org/wiki/ClusterLabs_IRC_channel so we can just point to that in documentation and such. That way, the info only needs to be updated in one place whenever it changes. On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 17:52 -0400, Digimer wrote: > On 2021-05-19 1:10 p.m., Digimer wrote: > > On 2021-05-19 12:58 p.m., Digimer wrote: > > > On 2021-05-19 12:55 p.m., kgail...@redhat.com wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > The ClusterLabs community has long used a #clusterlabs IRC > > > > channel on > > > > the popular IRC server freenode.net. > > > > > > > > As you may have heard, freenode recently had a mass exodus of > > > > staff and > > > > channels after a corporate buy-out that was perceived as > > > > threatening > > > > the user community's values. > > > > > > > > Many have moved to a new server, libera.chat, organized as a > > > > nonprofit. > > > > We have grabbed the #clusterlabs channel there to reserve the > > > > name. > > > > (Thanks, digimer!) > > > > > > > > Our options are to move #clusterlabs to libera.chat, find > > > > another > > > > public server, set up our own chat solution on clusterlabs.org, > > > > or > > > > continue using freenode until the dust settles. > > > > > > > > By coincidence, I've been investigating Phacility as an open- > > > > source > > > > project management tool for Pacemaker. I was already planning > > > > to set up > > > > a demo instance on clusterlabs.org Friday. Phacility has a > > > > suite of > > > > tools, including (web-based) chat, so I'll enable that, and we > > > > can > > > > experiment with it to see if it's worth considering. > > > > > > > > Opinions welcome. I'll follow up on this thread with any new > > > > developments. > > > > > > Speaking to another dev, he suggested OFTC, who have been around > > > for 20 > > > years, host other big open source projects, and has no connection > > > to the > > > freenode drama. For all these reasons, I'd like to change my > > > suggestion > > > to OFTC. As with libera.chat, I've setup and registered the > > > channels the > > > community use there as well. > > > > > > So as of right now, I've got things setup on both networks, and > > > will go > > > with whatever the majority chooses. For me personally, my votes > > > are now > > > +1 to oftc and -1 to libera.chat. > > > > I saw that #centos is moving to libera.chat, so I asked what helped > > them > > make their decision; > > > > ==== > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Digimer wrote: > > > > > > Has the CentOS community considered OFTC? If so, I'm curious what > > > made > > > libera.chat win out. I have no horse in the race of either, and > > > ask to > > > see if I'm missing arguments for/against OFTC or libera. > > > > It's a different culture and oftc is unable to scale the way that > > the > > sponsor model of libera allows. It's also _all_ the same staff > > from > > freenode as of this morning. Same operational mode. Same > > commands. > > Same culture. Same trust established with working with the > > staffers > > over many years. > > > > It appears that Fedora is moving to libera as well: > > > > https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/371 > > > > > > I expect some of the other Red Hat-based project channels > > (#anaconda, for instance) will also move but this is merely a > > hunch. > > ==== > > > > Argument(s) for Libera > > Looks like most channels are going to Libera, so I'm modifying my > vote > back to +1 for libera and -1 to OFTC. > -- Ken Gaillot <kgail...@redhat.com> _______________________________________________ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/