Hi,

I had a look on the wiki page you posted and it gave me some really good
ideas for the view plugin I am working on in forrest.

http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.view/?rev=160476
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.leather/?rev=160476

Together with another plugin (right now called leather but will be
renamed to ViewHelper) it is following the DispatcherView pattern
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/patterns/DispatcherView.html and building a
unit.

I am using right now a different approach then you but it seems we are
trying to solve the same problem.

Have a look at
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.view/src/documentation/default.fv?view=markup

That is a view on a site. The link is the default view for the site but
you can define a new view for each page of your webapp.

A view basically contains three tags (for now - it is in a really early
stage):
<forrest:view
  xmlns:forrest="http://apache.org/forrest/templates/1.0"; type="xhtml">
  <forrest:contract name="meta"/>
  <forrest:hook name="container">
   <forrest:contract name="feedback"/>
  </forrest:hook />
</forrest:view>

The view tag's @type determines the final output format. The idea is to
configure different output formats via a view. That is the biggest
different to your approach.

Each forrest:hook will be transformed into a <div/> tag (in html
output). This tags are designed to help web-designers to freely move
around and group contracts into design container.

Each forrest:contract will dispatch a xml file that contains
xsl:stylesheets for the different output formats, a contract can
implement. For html, the only format that I have implemented so far, we
have three different kind of templates:
<xsl:templates name="{contract/@name}-css/>
<xsl:templates name="{contract/@name}-head/>

The view follows exactly the pattern shown here. 
http://corej2eepatterns.com/Patterns2ndEd/DispatcherView.htm
Right now it is implemented for the forrest way of producing the models
for the view but I am planing to create independent BusinessHelper to
access all BusinessServices you may have in your application.


On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 16:42 +0200, Messing, Elad wrote:
> Hello again Stavors
>       I am now looking at your example. It works great BTW, and in deeded the 
> new features are worth the wait :)
>       I was wondering why you use the "base-url" global (that needs to be 
> changed for every installation) if you can just use the regular relative 
> paths that the web browser maintain for you. 
>       I mean - all of your links are under the root directory of Othello , so 
> why bother ?
> 
>       Thanks
> 
> Elad
> 
> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2005 17:34
> An: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: Design note - Building a template mechanism
> 
> 
>  hi 
> 
> i have update this wiki page
> http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/TemplateBasedWebSite
> 
> now there is an new sample as attachement
> 
> 
> regards 
> 
> stavros 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Elad Messing wrote:
> > 
> > >  Hi again.
> > >   I have added the fixes. I am not sure that they are all correct, as I 
> > > am quite a newbie.. They do however make it work :)
> > >   Feel free to remove what is not needed.
> > > 
> > >   Hope it will help somebody someday - like it helped me..
> > > 
> > > Elad
> > 
> > thnx
> > 
> > i'll post the link for the demo site in this thread afternoon
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --stavros
> > 
> > >    
> > > 
> > > -----UrsprΓngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2005 13:26
> > > An: users@cocoon.apache.org
> > > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Design note - Building a template mechanism
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Elad Messing wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I understand.
> > > > So - I would very much like to learn the new implementation ! A demo 
> > > > site could be great !
> > > > 
> > > > In Parallel - I am going through the example in the wiki and finding 
> > > > some errors in code. What do you think about me adding the fixes to 
> > > > make the example work by copy paste ? Is it needed ? 
> > > > 
> > > > Elad
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > your  comments/fixes are welcome
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----UrsprΞ“Ξngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2005 12:22
> > > > An: users@cocoon.apache.org
> > > > Betreff: Re: AW: Design note - Building a template mechanism
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Elad Messing wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hello Stavros and all
> > > > >       Thanks for the reply. I think I understand the usage of it as 
> > > > > you 
> > > > > explained in the "TemplateBasedWebSite" wiki page.
> > > > >       I also found the Othello example in the Scratchpad. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >       Currently I am studying the wiki example, trying to build the 
> > > > > same 
> > > > > in my environment.
> > > > > 
> > > > >       Do you think the wiki example is still valid today, or you 
> > > > > would 
> > > > > have done this in a different way in Cocoon 2.1.7 ? This is actually 
> > > > > my question :)
> > > > > 
> > > > >       Thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > Elad
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > the idea described in wiki is the same, the impementation has changed
> > > > 
> > > > (more features, cleaner code etc)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----UrsprΞΒngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2005 11:38
> > > > > An: users@cocoon.apache.org
> > > > > Betreff: Re: Design note - Building a template mechanism
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > hi elad
> > > > > 
> > > > > i'm using this approach to create static web static web sites the 
> > > > > goals are:
> > > > > - yu  have one layout file (.xhtml). then i get the content form 
> > > > > each request (requested web page) and put it inside this layout (now 
> > > > > i'm close to have pages (web requests) that make an exception and 
> > > > > use an alternative
> > > > > layout)
> > > > > 
> > > > > - you can define blocks with static content (html fragments) that 
> > > > > can be reused in any page
> > > > > 
> > > > > - you can define your own elements that are translated to complex 
> > > > > html
> > > > > 
> > > > > - there is a simple html 2 pdf transformation, so you are able to 
> > > > > server content pages as simple pdfs
> > > > > 
> > > > > - you can change the theme for your site
> > > > > 
> > > > > all this out of the box without to touch the sitemap.xmap
> > > > > 
> > > > > there is a sample in cocoon sample /scratchpad called Othello than 
> > > > > demostrate all this but it's quite old
> > > > > 
> > > > > i have a new version with many modification but i dont have found 
> > > > > time to make a pacth in bugzilla
> > > > > 
> > > > > if you want i can pack my working directory with some demo site to 
> > > > > take a look
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > regards
> > > > > -stavros
> > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Elad Messing wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello All !
> > > > > >     I am now in the design phase of the web-application I am 
> > > > > > working on.
> > > > > >     The application will have a fixed structure - header, footer, 
> > > > > > content in the middle, and menu on the side - and I am looking for 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > best
> > > > > > practice to build this template mechanism in Cocoon.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >     I have found in the wiki this page 
> > > > > > :http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/TemplateBasedWebSite but - It is 
> > > > > > from
> > > > > 10.2003
> > > > > > - and mention working with version 2.0.4. 
> > > > > >     I was wondering whether this is still a best practice or maybe 
> > > > > > a 
> > > > > > new better feature allows for another practice - which is better.
> > > > > > (might be
> > > > > that
> > > > > > the Xinclude is involved ? Not sure)..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >     Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Elad Messing
> > > > > > 
-- 
thorsten

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