Thank you for the feedback. I am going to wait a day or so (I am getting ready to move) and see if anyone raises their hands with some "I want to be a writer!" enthusiasm.
I do not see this moving forward without some active authors. If not, that all fine with me. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: robert [mailto:rob...@gliesian.com] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 16:06 > To: users@cxf.apache.org > Subject: RE: CXF in Action > > Gary, > > I would propose putting together a table of contents, posting it to the > mailing list and see if anyone is willing to tackle any of the chapters > you have outlined. > > If you have enough interest, move the TOC along with a proposal to > Manning. > > If noone is interest, or there isn't enough interest, just scratch the > project altogether.... > > 'nothing ventured, nothing gained. > > -- Robert > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:29:43 +0000, Gary Gregory > <ggreg...@seagullsoftware.com> wrote: > > If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In > > Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward. > > > > Gary > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: robert [mailto:rob...@gliesian.com] > >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38 > >> To: users@cxf.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: CXF in Action > >> > >> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be > >> written. > >> > >> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)... > >> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book > >> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it... > >> it should be on the shelf. > >> > >> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in > >> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and > >> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series. > >> > >> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the > >> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably > >> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the > >> computer. That is, you'd be in the red. > >> > >> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free... > >> they should not even consider it. > >> > >> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release. > >> > >> -- Robert > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes > >> <rgri...@sinclairoil.com> wrote: > >> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers > >> > site where they always have the source code from the book's examples, > >> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I > >> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to > >> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online. > >> > > >> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time > >> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or > >> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write > >> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete. > >> > > >> > Ron Grimes > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: robert [mailto:rob...@gliesian.com] > >> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM > >> > To: users@cxf.apache.org > >> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action > >> > > >> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the > >> > curve with CXF. > >> > > >> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal > >> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any > >> > credit. > >> > > >> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many > >> > reasons. > >> > > >> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and > >> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of > >> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing > >> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product. > >> > > >> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between > >> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a > >> > handful of months, not years. > >> > > >> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in > >> > Action". > >> > > >> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal > >> > reviewing in the MEAP program. > >> > > >> > -- Robert > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <glen.ma...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, > >> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or > >> >> REST web services. > >> >> > >> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects > >> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined > >> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there > >> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online > >> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such > >> >> books. > >> >> > >> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be > >> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately > >> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book. > >> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money > >> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because > >> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional > >> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets > >> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the > >> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent > >> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can > >> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it, > >> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a > >> >> book while taking far less time. > >> >> > >> >> Glen > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote: > >> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees > it > >> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a > >> global level :) > >> >>> > >> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that > any > >> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and > time > >> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard. > >> >>> > >> >>> Craig. > >> >>> > >> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"... > >> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action". > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- Robert > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro > >> >>>> <juanpablo.piza...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>> Me too! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<imavrouka...@gameaccountnetwork.com> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<rob...@gliesian.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans > for > >> it? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -- Robert > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>
