when i start this discussion i also did not know about this format WOFF, smaller size then the normal format with improved qualitiy. I created a jira issue to see if we can also embed this type of font.After 2010 almost all the browser already accept this format. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33817
Also there is in the jira issue a link that explains better this type when the pros of using it. Resuming this type of font:- is like a zip of the otf/ttf- can include some metada because of the rights of the font- improved readability best regards,Miguel Ferreira > From: miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > To: users@flex.apache.org > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:13:37 +0100 > > 1-fonthttp://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/download/source-sans-pro > 2-fonthttp://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/download/source-code-pro > I had the same problem with you i raised the question.. but until no one had > something to say because with the WOFF will be great for flex application is > some kind of zipped file so we should have a font embed with small size. > Miguel > > > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:59:06 +0000 > > From: modjkl...@comcast.net > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > > Thanks Miguel, I was excited to try the CFF fonts from the 2nd link, but > > when I downloaded them I noticed they have either an .ttf.woff or an > > .otf.woff extension. I don't think that's compatible with Flex. I'd be > > interested if anyone is able to get them working somehow. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com> > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:26:18 AM > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > links > > 1 - > > http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2013/05/adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html > > > > > > 2 - > > http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2010/12/the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html---------------------------------------- > > > > > From: miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:23:48 +0100 > > > > > > still about the subject here a post that i invite everyone to read, > > > > > > <a > > > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html" > > > target="_blank" > > > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2013&&47;05&&47;adobe-contributes-cff-rasterizer-to-freetype.html</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > also on the end we have some links to cff font type only. > > > > > > also that post have some reference to this post: "The Benefits Of > > > OpenType/CFF Over TrueType" > > > > > > <a > > > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html" > > > target="_blank" > > > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;blogs.adobe.com&&47;typblography&&47;2010&&47;12&&47;the-benefits-of-opentypecff-over-truetype.html</a> > > > > > > > > > another site to download cff: > > > <a href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;fontcache.com&&47;tag&&47;opentype-cff&&47;" > > > target="_blank" > > > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;fontcache.com&&47;tag&&47;opentype-cff&&47;</a> > > > > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > > From: miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > > > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:02:07 +0200 > > > > > > > > But this info is really top. > > > > And can really make all the difference. > > > > And in all the post, forums or mail list is the first time that was > > > > mentioned and tomorrow i really want to try this > > > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Alex Harui<mailto:aha...@adobe.com> > > > > Sent: 09.10.2013 23:39 > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org<mailto:users@flex.apache.org> > > > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > > > > > I'm not an expert in this area, but my understanding is that an OTF > > > > file can contain TTF or CFF data. CFF uses different curvature control > > > > points than TTF. If the data is in TTF format, the curves have to be > > > > converted and there could be fidelity issues. If the data is already in > > > > CFF format then you should be seeing it as good as it gets. > > > > > > > > -Alex > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: modjkl...@comcast.net [modjkl...@comcast.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:11 AM > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex, > > > > > > > > My font source file is .otf > > > > > > > > How I embed for MX: > > > > > > > > > > > > @font-face { > > > > fontFamily:arial_mx; > > > > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > > > > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E, U+03A9; > > > > embedAsCFF: false; > > > > fontStyle:normal; > > > > fontWeight:normal; > > > > } > > > > > > > > How I embed for Spark: > > > > > > > > @font-face { > > > > fontFamily:arial_s; > > > > src:url("Fonts/ArialUnicodeMS_Regular.otf"); > > > > unicodeRange: U+0020-007E; > > > > embedAsCFF: true; > > > > fontWeight:normal; > > > > fontStyle:normal; > > > > } > > > > > > > > Doesn't the "embedAsCFF:true;" line above implement the glyph > > > > conversion requirement that you're referring to? > > > > > > > > Or, are you saying I need to use a source file having a .cff extension > > > > instead of .otf (or .ttf)? > > > > All the documentation I've seen just says to set the embedAsCFF switch > > > > as above. For example: > > > > > > > > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f5f.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if I'm missing something. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 9:51:11 AM > > > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > > > > > It occurs to me that the issue may be in the transcoding of the font. > > > > The Spark components use the underlying flash.text.engine classes which > > > > use CFF fonts. If you are embedding TTF, then I believe a glyph > > > > conversion has to happen. It may be that if you can find a font file > > > > that has its glyphs encoded as CFF it will look better. > > > > > > > > -Alex > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: modjkl...@comcast.net [modjkl...@comcast.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:45 AM > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > > > > > > I just wanted to solicit from other Flex users which specific fonts > > > > successfully embed without being blurry. > > > > > > > > I've tried embedding all the Helvetica and Arial fonts installed on my > > > > Mac and they look blurry compared to the non-embedded versions in the > > > > same app. The embedded fonts for spark are short and fat and for MX are > > > > tall and skinny. > > > > > > > > Ideally, someone could refer me to a Helvetica/Arial font that they > > > > know embeds fine. However, assuming I don't get that feedback and I > > > > need to find a new font, I'm hoping anyone with good embed results can > > > > share their favorite font (for Enterprise desktop applications, in my > > > > case) to benefit all users. > > > > > > > > Someone mentioned earlier Google Roboto, which I'll try out soon. For > > > > reference below, Miguel mentions OpenSans, and Mihai mentions Myriad > > > > Pro. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any feedback. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Miguel Ferreira" <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com> > > > > To: users@flex.apache.org > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:52:38 AM > > > > Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > > > > > > Hi all thank you for all the information. > > > > > > > > I was out and just today i came back to the office. > > > > > > > > So, i will write a resume of my working solution. > > > > > > > > Font: OpenSans link:<a > > > > href="http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans" > > > > target="_blank" > > > > class="newlyinsertedlink">http&&58;&&47;&&47;www.google.com&&47;fonts&&47;specimen&&47;Open&&43;Sans</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > on the global css turned off the kerning: > > > > > > > > global > > > > { > > > > kerning: off; > > > > fontFamily: main; > > > > fontSize: 11; > > > > } > > > > > > > > how the fonts are embebed: > > > > > > > > @font-face > > > > { > > > > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Regular.ttf"); > > > > fontFamily: AppFont; > > > > fontStyle: normal; > > > > fontWeight: normal; > > > > embedAsCFF: true; > > > > } > > > > > > > > @font-face > > > > { > > > > src: url("assets/fonts/OpenSans-Italic.ttf"); > > > > fontFamily: AppFont; > > > > fontStyle: italic; > > > > fontWeight: normal; > > > > embedAsCFF: true; > > > > } > > > > ... > > > > > > > > @Alex: Thanks for the info about the playerglobal. > > > > i tried with the version 10.2 when it worked well,but when i tried the > > > > configuration above and the result was also good in the version 11.8 i > > > > choose for the last version. > > > > > > > > In this moment i will have to change components to spark like forms, > > > > datagrid, images, spacers, etc... > > > > And for the next release is +1 application on Apache Flex SDK 4.10! > > > > > > > > Thanks for all that help and that maintain the community alive! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: mihai.ch...@gmail.com > > > >> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:52:01 +0100 > > > >> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > >> To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >> > > > >> The way I did it was to edit the font file directly using Type > > > >> Light<http://www.cr8software.net/typelight.html>. > > > >> I went into Font->Font Options..., deselected Kerning and saved it on > > > >> top > > > >> of the original font file. With this treatment, the font does not > > > >> trigger > > > >> the bug I mentioned, yet is still readable. I did not turn off kerning > > > >> as > > > >> suggested by Maurice. I'm not even sure it would have made a > > > >> difference now > > > >> that the font did not have this information to begin with. > > > >> > > > >> If you're using another OS, I'm sure there is another good font editor > > > >> that > > > >> you can use to make this change. > > > >> > > > >> Hope it helps. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 4 October 2013 18:43, Maurice Amsellem > > > >> <maurice.amsel...@systar.com>wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Ah, ok. > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > > > >>> De : modjkl...@comcast.net [mailto:modjkl...@comcast.net] > > > >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:42 > > > >>> À : users@flex.apache.org > > > >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks Maurice, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Mihai's post below states to remove kerning to avoid a bug: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning > > > >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> . > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: "Maurice Amsellem" <maurice.amsel...@systar.com> > > > >>> To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:29:42 AM > > > >>> Subject: RE: blurry fonts > > > >>> > > > >>> global { > > > >>> kerning: off; > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> However, usually text is more readable when kerning is on, especially > > > >>> for > > > >>> some letters combinations, eg AV and things like that. > > > >>> So why would you turn it off? > > > >>> > > > >>> Maurice > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Message d'origine----- > > > >>> De : modjkl...@comcast.net [mailto:modjkl...@comcast.net] > > > >>> Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2013 19:12 > > > >>> À : users@flex.apache.org > > > >>> Objet : Re: blurry fonts > > > >>> > > > >>> I like peoples suggestions for embedded fonts that look nice. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Just curious though, how does one remove the kerning? Do you need > > > >>> special > > > >>> font software to manipulate this? Or, is it done directly in the font > > > >>> file > > > >>> somehow? Or, done using actionscript code? etc. > > > >>> > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: "Mihai Chira" <mihai.ch...@gmail.com> > > > >>> To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 1:15:27 AM > > > >>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > >>> > > > >>> Hey Miguel, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> we're using Myriad Web > > > >>> Pro<http://www.azfonts.net/load_font/myriadwebpro.html>with the > > > >>> latest > > > >>> version of the SDK and it looks just fine. We also make software > > > >>> meant for > > > >>> many hours' use. > > > >>> > > > >>> However, if you're going to use it, make sure you remove the kerning > > > >>> information inside it until we have a resolution for this bug< > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33779> > > > >>> . > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Best, > > > >>> Mihai > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 4 October 2013 08:16, Miguel Ferreira > > > >>> <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > > > >>>>wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> The difference is really big. > > > >>>> Even the colors of some item renders. > > > >>>> But the question for me is, that will depend of the user player? > > > >>>> For the older version is more redable but even so with the font > > > >>>> opensans > > > >>>> the difference is smaller. > > > >>>> There is some font that the guy from the new renderer adivce?Because > > > >>>> if > > > >>>> they say that is better they should have some study cases were they > > > >>>> can > > > >>>> prove that. > > > >>>> So maybe they can advice on good font for a flex enterprise > > > >>>> application.Where the user work with it between 4 to 8 hours per > > > >>>> day. > > > >>>> Because with that blurry foggy fonts will be a nightmare. > > > >>>> Thanks alex for be always available... almost 24/7 > > > >>>> Miguel > > > >>>>> From: aha...@adobe.com > > > >>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:40:44 -0700 > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Did you try it with an older swf version? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 10/3/13 11:08 PM, "Miguel Ferreira" > > > >>>>> <miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>Thank you all, > > > >>>>>>I am trying with another font type to see if i can have a better > > > >>>>>>results.Because of the "better" rendering was one of my key issues > > > >>>>>>to > > > >>>>>>update to the last version to try to keep up with the Apache > > > >>> evolution, > > > >>>>>>but after the project manager saw the result was really hard to > > > >>> convince > > > >>>>>>him that we are on the right path following the steps and evolution > > > >>>>>>of > > > >>>>>>Apache releases. > > > >>>>>>I tried OpenSans and i have a better result but on the edges if we > > > >>>>>>go > > > >>> to > > > >>>>>>detail we can see that is not perfect is still a little bit foggy! > > > >>>>>>Another font suggestion is always welcome? > > > >>>>>>@tom > > > >>>>>>"- it took some experimenting with the various hinting options for > > > >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we > > > >>> found > > > >>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>combination that worked well." > > > >>>>>>can you tell what combinations you did that worked out? > > > >>>>>>Thanks,Miguel > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> From: aha...@adobe.com > > > >>>>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:19:11 -0700 > > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I can't find the email thread, but the answer I got was that > > > >>>>>>> there > > > >>> is > > > >>>> no > > > >>>>>>> equivalent of gridFitType because the new font rendering > > > >>>>>>> algorithm > > > >>> is > > > >>>>>>> "better". IIRC, it is "better" because it employs some > > > >>>>>>> anti-aliasing > > > >>>>>>> algorithm on all edges, not just one ones that are unlucky enough > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>> not > > > >>>>>>> fall on pixel boundaries, and doesn't mess with inter-character > > > >>>> spacing. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> That said, several folks are unhappy with this algorithm. One > > > >>>>>>>experiment > > > >>>>>>> for you to try now that we have more version flexibility in > > > >>>>>>> Apache > > > >>>> Flex > > > >>>>>>>is > > > >>>>>>> to set your player/air versions back to whatever it was in 4.1 or > > > >>> even > > > >>>>>>> 4.0. That might cause the player to select an older rendering > > > >>>>>>>algorithm. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> HTH, > > > >>>>>>> -Alex > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On 10/3/13 7:24 AM, "modjkl...@comcast.net" > > > >>>>>>> <modjkl...@comcast.net> > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>I've always had problems with embedded fonts in 4.5.1 SDK. I've > > > >>> tried > > > >>>>>>>so > > > >>>>>>>>much to overcome it. Seems no matter which version of Arial or > > > >>>>>>>Helvetica > > > >>>>>>>>I embed, the spark text always looks shorter and fat (e.g. > > > >>>>>>>>blurry), > > > >>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>the mx text looks tall and skinny. The hinting options, while > > > >>> having > > > >>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>effect, don't seem to correct this. If anyone has settings that > > > >>> make > > > >>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>embedded font (Arial or Helvetica) look normal, I'd really like > > > >>>>>>>>to > > > >>>> try > > > >>>>>>>>them. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>>>>>From: "Tom Chiverton" <t...@extravision.com> > > > >>>>>>>>To: users@flex.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:59:30 AM > > > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: blurry fonts > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>On 03/10/2013 14:54, Miguel Ferreira wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> I am finalizing a updated to my costumer from flex 4.1.0 to > > > >>>>>>>>> flex > > > >>>>>>>4.10.0 > > > >>>>>>>>>and the fonts really look horrible. > > > >>>>>>>>We had the same issue when migrating up from Adobe Flex 4.1 to > > > >>> Apache > > > >>>>>>>>4.x - it took some experimenting with the various hinting options > > > >>> for > > > >>>>>>>>the font, as well as embedding a few different fonts before we > > > >>> found > > > >>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>combination that worked well. > > > >>>>>>>>I'd start by stripping out any relevant styles, then add in a > > > >>>> specific > > > >>>>>>>>embeded font, then have a look at the various hinting options > > > >>>>>>>available. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>Tom > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >
