Scott On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 13:42 -0400, Scott Castaline wrote:
> My comments were based on articles written when this first hit. At that > time M$ was pushing for no option available to disable this function and > their explanation was that it would allow "breaking" of their system. > The option that you mention was being discussed as a possible option for > mfgs, but again M$ was fighting that at the time. Also note that I had > stated that "if M$ gets their way" which I personally don't think would > be possible, but then we never usually see what goes on behind closed doors. > > We have seen that in the past M$ used pressure tactics to prevent mfgs > from supporting "other OSes". Although M$ of today is much weaker there > has been recent developments that could be interpreted that they maybe > up to some of their old tricks with a slightly different twist to them. > That's all I was trying to say. You would not be accusing MS of trying to lock everyone out of the OS. Actually they may force their own death because people using other devices and the cloud could be much less dependent on MS products than now. I would hope that some European at least and preferably the US government threatens serious lawsuits with the possibility of real jail time. > On 10/19/2011 01:00 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Come on people, please do a little research before spreading FUD... > > > > This is an OPTION in the BIOS, one that can be TURNED OFF. > > > > Any systems manufacturer that disallowed the ability to turn it off > > would be committing commercial suicide imnsho... > > > > Yes, there is some *potential* for this becoming a problem in the > > dustant future, but not in the next 5 or 10 years... > > > > On 2011-10-19 12:43 PM, Scott Castaline <skotch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 10/19/2011 12:11 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > >>> On 19 October 2011 16:59, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions< > >>> webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Please read the linked article. [below] > >>>> > >>>> If Microsoft gets away with this, then no computer that has a > >>>> Windows 8 > >>>> logo on it will not be able to boot from free OSs like Linux. This > >>>> will be > >>>> part of the BIOS. You might not be able to run free software like > >>>> LibreOffice, if it goes to the extreme end. > >>>> > >>> I should think that is illegal under competition law. > >>> > >>> To me, if MS get away with forcing OEMs to make it so their systems > >>> cannot > >>>> run Linux, then it is another anti-trust violation for MS. Billy > >>>> boy is > >>>> going back to court about unfair practices from the 90's, so if > >>>> people do > >>>> not step up now to convince OEMs that we will not buy their products > >>>> if they > >>>> implement the free OS and software blocker at the BOOT LEVEL, then we > >>>> cannot > >>>> buy any new computers for Linux. > >>>> > >>> We can buy new computers, just not those that come with Windows. Might > >>> even > >>> be an advantage since there will be a niche market in supplying > >>> hardware > >>> that is not restricted in that way. I might start a new business :-) > >>> > >>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** > >> Above link is broken, but the problem is that, how many OEM's will deem > >> it profitable to manufacture 2 different versions of their systems. That > >> also eliminates dual booting M$ and OpenSource OSes on the same PC. This > >> will also impact the MoBos manufacturers as they already make 2 versions > >> of their product to support Intel and AMD now it'll have to be 4 > >> versions. I don't think that'll happen. It's more likely, if M$ gets > >> their way, one will have to some how hack the boards which will more > >> than likely nullify any warranties which will then send OpenSource back > >> to just hobbyists and such and non acceptance by others. > >>>> foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** > >>>> uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=&**tag=nl.rSINGLE<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=&tag=nl.rSINGLE>< > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/**open-source/free-software-** > >>>> foundation-urges-oems-to-say-**no-to-mandatory-windows-8-** > >>>> uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=&**tag=nl.rSINGLE<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/free-software-foundation-urges-oems-to-say-no-to-mandatory-windows-8-uefi-cage/9770?alertspromo=&tag=nl.rSINGLE> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Free Software Foundation urges OEMs to say no to mandatory Windows 8 > >>>> UEFI > >>>> cage > >>>> > >>>> By Steven J. 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