I've downloaded the drafts and intend to read.  Unfortunately, I am not a 
particularly good copy editor, but I am willing to mark and report what I find. 
 How do I learn the process for this?

Cheers,
              tod


Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com




On Aug 9, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Dan wrote:

> T Hopkins wrote:
>> The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.
>> 
>> I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is 
>> important.  In
>> particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of 
>> Base more
>> apparent to users.
>> 
>> Cheers, tod
>> 
>> Tod Hopkins Hillmann & Carr Inc. todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
> 
>     I agree. But where are the people who are willing to write the Base 
> Guide? This takes time. I have been working on this project since OOo 2.0. 
> (OK, I may be rather slow.) I just completed a rewrite of chapter 2 this 
> afternoon. Rewrites of Ch 3 & 4 should take less time. Furthermore, there are 
> very few volunteers to review my work. Then they need to be proof read for 
> grammar, spelling, etc.
> 
> --Dan
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> 
>>> On 08/09/2012 02:43 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>>> On 08/08/12 22:26, T Hopkins wrote:
>>>>> The difference in cost of the initial license, when considered from the 
>>>>> full
>>>>> deployment/productivity calculation of an IT manager, is often not the 
>>>>> deciding
>>>>> factor. The primary cost of changing software is not the license, but
>>>>> installation, configuration, training, and lost productivity during 
>>>>> conversion.
>>>> 
>>>> The total costs of all that would be FAR lower by converting from Office 
>>>> 2003 or
>>>> any of its predecessors to LO compared to converting to Office 
>>>> 2007/2010.....users
>>>> could at least get going almost immediately with LO whereas the new ribbon 
>>>> seemed
>>>> to be almost unfathomable to a lot of people, so yes, going from one 
>>>> version of MS
>>>> Office to a SIMILAR version (as in Office XP to Office 2003 or Office 2007 
>>>> to 2010)
>>>> I agree. Going from a menu-based Office to a ribbon-based Office no, I 
>>>> don't
>>>> agree.
>>>> 
>>> AFAIK, MSO 2007/2010 are the only major packages that use the ribbon 
>>> interface. All
>>> other recent Windows software I have seen still uses the traditional menus. 
>>> IMHO most
>>> users can adapt to a reasonable menu layout fairly quickly; it is more 
>>> about finding
>>> how to access a command than fighting the interface and finding the command.
>>> 
>>> I would expect most users could "learn" the LO fairly quickly because it is 
>>> same
>>> familiar menu style interface they are using on most packages.
>>> 
>>> The total cost to install includes rolling out the software to the users. 
>>> If a
>>> company is not planning a major office suite roll out then converting to 
>>> any other
>>> suite will not occur. The ideal time to convert an organization is when 
>>> they are
>>> planning to replace their current suite. Then the a comparison of all costs 
>>> makes
>>> sense.
>>> 
>>> -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>> 
> 
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