Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it.
1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a "stable branch" where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or .... Well, tons of valid reasons Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf <reinh...@stapf-online.com> wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf <reinh...@stapf-online.com> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: "Tom Davies" <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42 It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we don't know the bugs.... MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality.There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar.They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.I cannot agree more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words.-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.orgProblems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
