Hi Amit, While your CV is impressive, this is still just your opinion. For open source software, it seems that this isn't true. "Release early and release often" is a mantra that is oft repeated; it seems that several open source projects have found this to be the most effective way of keeping interest from dying down.
> Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software Hardly likely, given the speed and amount of innovation occuring in software, hardware and OSes. > We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office > suite. Well, this is hardly the reason the open source community are striving for alternatives. It may be the main reason for some people (and I'll admit I am one of them. I couldn't afford to stay in business if I had to pay Microsoft's prices for every little piece of software I used), but there are other equally (some would say more) important reasons. Like competition promotes innovation, and standards are a good thing. > The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only As stated above, I don't think this is true. Stable versions *are* released, if people wish to stick to them, but newer versions are also released so that people can adopt them early if they wish for newer features. This does mean people are implicitly accepting that there may be a few bugs still left around. And this is actuall a *part* of the QA process. With open source software the consumer is part of the process, rather than just someone that gets the end product and complains loudly if things don't work, and perhaps doesn't pay. > THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES I don't know where you have worked, but the customers where I have worked were always expecting things ASAP, and sooner if possible :) And in open source, again, there are no paying customers. The customers are simply the users, and they often do want frequent releases. Though you are right, not all of them do. Just some of my thoughts. Regards Paul On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:21:58 +0530 Amit Choudhary <contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer > science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, > Juniper networks and have turned down offers from companies like > Google and Microsoft for one reason or other. > > This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. > Actually, by now we should have been done by all the software (all > the necessary software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. > > We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office > suite. > > The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and > this can be done by increasing the QA cycle period. > > I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by > management. And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt > the customer even if I have to get into discussions with managers, > directors, etc. > > This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because > work doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets > any time for innovation and everyone is just interested in the > release. And in the end, the software dies down because the frequent > release does not fix things properly and introduces new bugs and over > time all these quickfixes kill the product. > > THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND > IS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO > DO AND HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. > > I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing > something every month then it becomes a headache to me. > > RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. > > THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS > ARE NOT SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE > COMPLICATED AND IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS > SHELVED. > > AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. > > Amit > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Hi :) > > I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The > > 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with > > that. > > > > Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not > > flashy enough! > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: "la10...@iperbole.bologna.it" <la10...@iperbole.bologna.it> > > >To: users@global.libreoffice.org > > >Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 > > >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 > > > > > > > > >Unfortunately, the "3rd digit rule" doesn't work as goog as > > >expected... > > > I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 > > > and > > >report builder no more works (crash in opening). > > > > > > thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free > > > sw, at > > the > > >end.... > > > > > > Federico Quadri > > > > > > Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto: > > >> Hi :) > > >> That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of "Service pack". So > > >> usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even > > >> just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected > > >> problems that might not get caught by QA. > > >> > > >> The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you > > >> are happy enough with on all the machines you look after > > >> especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach > > >> easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to > > >> test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets > > >> released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is > > >> that things you might care about deeply might not even be > > >> getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that > > >> might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem > > >> might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a > > >> beta release rather than a full release because it's during the > > >> early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the > > >> 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. > > >> Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. > > >> > > >> There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 > > >> version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version > > >> that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all > > >> works. > > >> > > >> Regards from > > >> Tom :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Amit Choudhary <contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> > > >>> To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" > > >>> <Users@global.libreoffice.org> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 > > >>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is > > >>> not as stable as > > >>> 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. > > >>> > > >>> I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) > > >>> software rather > > >>> than frequently released software. > > >>> > > >>> Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / > > software > > >>> having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. > > >>> > > >>> Amit > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > >-- > > >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > >Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > >Posting guidelines + more: > > >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: > > >http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages > > >sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent > > to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
