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El dom, 04-08-2013 a las 13:34 -0700, Girvin R. Herr escribió: > When you get a new hammer, do you make the new hammer look like the old > hammer? No! > LibreOffice does not need to be micro$oft office, a bloated application > that tries to be all things to all people and does none of them well. > LO is a good office suite in its own right. People need to stop being > lazy and learn something new for a change. > Girvin Herr > P.S. - Nice metaphor! > > > > On 08/04/2013 12:19 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > > Hi :) > > This kinda reminds me of the story about 2 bulls on top of a hill both > > looking down at a herd of cows. The younger one says "Lets race down the > > hill and dance with one of those ladies". The older one replies "Lets walk > > down and dance with them all". > > > > If we follow MS's lead in keeping up with their latest formats then we > > might get short-term gains but we really stuff ourselves up in the longer > > term. Plus we end up trailing a long way behind MS. We need to work > > towards getting ahead of them in more and more ways. At the moment we > > already beat them in quite a few ways but we need more in order for more > > people to take notice. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Amit Choudhary <contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> > >> To: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> > >> Cc: "la10...@iperbole.bologna.it" <la10...@iperbole.bologna.it>; > >> "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org> > >> Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013, 11:46 > >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 > >> > >> > >> If we have to beat Microsoft then we need to focus only on what Microsoft > >> provides and not on .odt format, etc. We cannot beat Microsoft by > >> introducing a new format and expecting customers to use new formats (I use > >> Microsoft formats only and whatever other formats is suported by > >> Microsoft). > >> > >> We need to beat Microsoft at its own game by doing what they are doing in > >> office suite. A new format is not going to change the game but being > >> totally compatible and stable with the formats that Micorosoft supports > >> (xls, xlsx, doc, docx, save as pdf, text, etc.) is going to change the > >> game. > >> > >> Amit > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Amit Choudhary < > >> contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom, > >>> > >>> I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer > >>> science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, > >>> Juniper > >>> networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and > >>> Microsoft for one reason or other. > >>> > >>> This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by > >>> now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary > >>> software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. > >>> > >>> We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. > >>> > >>> The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can > >>> be done by increasing the QA cycle period. > >>> > >>> I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. > >>> And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even > >>> if > >>> I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. > >>> > >>> This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work > >>> doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for > >>> innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, > >>> the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things > >>> properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill > >>> the product. > >>> > >>> THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS > >>> FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND > >>> HENCE THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. > >>> > >>> I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something > >>> every month then it becomes a headache to me. > >>> > >>> RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. > >>> > >>> THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT > >>> SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND > >>> IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. > >>> > >>> AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. > >>> > >>> Amit > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies > >>> <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi :) > >>>> I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 > >>>> might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. > >>>> > >>>> Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy > >>>> enough! > >>>> Regards from > >>>> Tom :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: "la10...@iperbole.bologna.it" <la10...@iperbole.bologna.it> > >>>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org > >>>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 > >>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Unfortunately, the "3rd digit rule" doesn't work as goog as expected... > >>>>> I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and > >>>>> report builder no more works (crash in opening). > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at > >>>> the > >>>>> end.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Federico Quadri > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto: > >>>>>> Hi :) > >>>>>> That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of "Service pack". So > >>>>>> usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just > >>>>>> bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems > >>>>>> that might not get caught by QA. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you > >>>>>> are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially > >>>>>> ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then > >>>>>> on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional > >>>>>> beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 > >>>>>> per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply > >>>>>> might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only > >>>>>> you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem > >>>>>> might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta > >>>>>> release rather than a full release because it's during the early > >>>>>> beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single > >>>>>> version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's > >>>>>> when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 > >>>>>> version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version > >>>>>> that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards from > >>>>>> Tom :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>> From: Amit Choudhary <contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" <Users@global.libreoffice.org> > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 > >>>>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not > >>>>>>> as stable as > >>>>>>> 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) > >>>>>>> software rather > >>>>>>> than frequently released software. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / > >>>> software > >>>>>>> having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Amit > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >>>>> Problems? > >>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>>> deleted > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >>>> Problems? > >>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>>> deleted > >>>> > >>>> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> Problems? > >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >> deleted > >> > >> > >> > > -- Atentamente, Jorge RodrÃguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
