Andrew,

Just interested in your comments/thoughts on this site:

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml

On 8/6/13 12:05 PM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Hi Tom

You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware
malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS
firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated fully with
MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS I am
sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not
necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and dishonest
malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and
fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and MSSE is
now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are
not strong with active protection and scanning of your system, plugged
in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel.

In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as
it's not bad and totally opensource.

Freeware
1. MSSE
2. Avast
3. ClamAV for Windows

For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal,
business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war

Kaspersky
ESET Nod32

Regards

Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Good point.  I only had the anti-malware stuff running.  None of the usual 
other windows open.

On Windows machines i typically have 2 running.
1.  Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your 
system through automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it
2.  A free one.  Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work.  In a different 
place i might be using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me.

On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the 
other.  Usually the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet.

The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware 
stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms.  So 
anti-malware stuff needs to think in a very different way from whatever 
in-built security might be around.  I don't have any confidence in MS being 
able to do that.  I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different 
structures.  On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their 
most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with 
likely threats.  So, who knows which is going to be best in the next years or 
so.

Regards from
Tom :)

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