I see these arguments in my emails, and peruse some, but generally once I have the gist of things, I press delete! But it does not put me off, trying to sell the idea of free, to my customers, and say there is lots of support out there etc.
When I say sell the idea, I mean compare the the well known version, and libre... Usually quoting "Spanish for freeeeeeeeeee" yes big emphasis on freeeeeeeeee I see the same on the other forums as we'll, ie gimp, Inkscape etc, and it disheartens me that someone has to upset the applecart. Recently I made an error, in not reading what was on my screen with libre, but the support I got was great, and positive feedback for all involved But I guess the with a price for freeeeee means that someone will try and take advantage Phil On Sunday, May 11, 2014, Paul <paulste...@afrihost.co.za> wrote: > > Yes, in the IT world it is > > quite common for technically talented people to exhibit impaired > > social skills. > Not really, in my experience. It's common for IT people to *claim* to > have Asperger Syndrome or some such, but it's not nearly as common as > people think. My experience may be limited, but that still leaves us > with.. > > > > whether Urmas is a dev and just socially > > > clumsy as so many are. > Most clearly not. His answers often are not just pro Microsoft or > commercial software, but often derogatory of Open Source, and often > outright wrong, not just in terms of beliefs that are known to be > incorrect, but in terms of quoting actual facts that are wrong. > Sometimes even quoted with references, showing that he went to some > trouble to construct his false arguments. Maybe not often, but I'm sure > I've seen it in the past. Which shows clearly that he is not just > socially inept, but actually trying to troll. Equally, some of the off > list messages that have recently been shown on this list are not just > lacking in social graces, they are quite clearly rude and obscene. So I > suggest... > > >The only way to stop it entirely is to > > encourage them to go away. > That this would be a good idea. Despite the question of... > > > Then what are you left with? Who will > > answer your questions and solve your problems? > Other people. I've only seen Urmas be usefull I think twice, and in > those cases I really don't know how useful his information actually > was. Potentially very, I suppose, but I don't feel the need to keep him > around just for that. But that's only my opinion, of course. Spreading > FUD is one thing, but being abusive and using obscene language I don't > really want to have to put up with. But that said, we're stuck with... > > > the reality that, in a venue such as this, you're going to > > encounter such people. > Unfortunate but true. I once asked if we could ban Urmas, and was told > no, he'd just come back in a new guise. I'm still not sure how I feel > about this, but unfortunately it is quite likely true that even if we > did ban him, he would just sign up again under a new name. He seems > intent on trolling this list. And at least at the moment we all mostly > know who he is and know to just ignore his stuff. > > As this is the internet, and therefor devoid (rightly so) of physical > involvement, there really is nothing we can do to *make* him stop, > not so long as the list is public. Best we could do would be to > moderate everything, and just not let his stuff past moderation, but > that takes effort on someone's part. I'm not willing to go to all that > trouble myself, so I'd rather just ignore him. > > I'm not sure what Tom Cloyd is thinking of here, but he seems to have an > idea about how to proceed. Personally, I don't think it will work, but > I'd still be willing to hear it. And if one doesn't think one should be > trying to intimidate Urmas into leaving, what on earth makes one think > one should be intimidating Tom Cloyd into leaving? Name calling and > nastiness doesn't belong on this list, in my opinion. If people get > tedious, speak your mind, tell them politely what your opinion is, > preferably make a constructive suggestion, then leave it be. If you > can't change their mind, ignore them. This is a public list, you are > free to ignore whatever part of it you want. > > Just my thoughts on a matter that has the potential to spiral out of > control. Feel free to disagree, but politely, please. Or to ignore it, > if you so wish. > > Paul > > > On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:57:57 -0400 > Jim Seymour <jseym...@linxnet.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:52:18 +0100 > > Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > On a side-issue ... > > > The ones where Urmas does help are often highly technical. That > > > raises the question of whether Urmas is a dev and just socially > > > clumsy as so many are. Apparently Microsoft have recognised that > > > many engineers and devs have "high functioning" aspergers syndrome > > > or, even further along the spectrum, autism ... > > [snip] > > > > Asperger Syndrome (it's properly capitalized) is often referred-to > > as "functional autism." In any event: Yes, in the IT world it is > > quite common for technically talented people to exhibit impaired > > social skills. It's usually not intentional. Such people are simply > > wired in such a manner that social skills that are second nature to > > "normal" people are, quite simply, incomprehensible to them. Good > > examples of these are the TV show characters Dr. Gregory House, Dr. > > Sheldon Cooper and Dr. Martin Ellingham ("Doc Martin"). These > > characters are all portrayed as being brilliant in their fields, but > > socially inept to the point of being widely regarded as rude and > > unfeeling. (These characters portray behavioural extremes, but they > > are, after all, actors, and it is, after all, entertainment.) > > > > Such people can learn, to a degree, to work within commonly accepted > > social norms, but they will never, ever understand the *need* to do > > so, other than that failing to do so may have (potentially) adverse > > consequences. > > > > This is not to excuse behaviour clearly out-of-bounds, but more to > > explain the reality that, in a venue such as this, you're going to > > encounter such people. The only way to stop it entirely is to > > encourage them to go away. Then what are you left with? Who will > > answer your questions and solve your problems? The likes of > > telephone sanitizers, hairstylists, advertising executives and > > lawyers? ;) > > > > Regards, > > Jim > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: > users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org<javascript:;> > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted