I really do understand but I think you underestimate the complexity of a project with more than 10,000,000 lines of code. That being said, I have no additional feedback and we're not going to be forcing anything on volunteers so . . . we can agree to disagree and know that this is how the project works-take it or leave it.
Best, Joel On 10/03/2014 06:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Aww heck that'd be brilliant! If TDF could take Thunderbird under their > wing instead of leaving it with Mozilla. > > Mozilla don't seem to appreciate just how many people rely on Thunderbird. > It's the best OpenSource email client around, in the opinion of a huge > percentage of people apparently. > > People, and articles have often said that LibreOffice could never compete > with MSO because it lacks an email client. Completely missing the point > that so many great email clients integrate so well with LibreOffice. Maybe > if there was a kinda default one and if that was as great as Thunderbird is > then it'd cut a lot of detractors off at the knees. > > Sorry! I do agree with your main points! > Regards from > Tom :) > > > On 3 October 2014 13:16, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote: > >> Fair enough. I guess that belief was a remnant from the Sun/Openoffice >> days. >> >> My apologies for a huge, incorrect assumption. >> >> Also, I just realized there is a distinction that I have been making, >> but that may have been missed and so may be causing a disconnect. >> >> That distinction is, code that someone writes and contributes - like, >> for example, this new 'Inline editing' feature for Input fields' - vs >> pre-existing/old legacy code and/or bugs that is/was already there, long >> before any new volunteers come along. >> >> In most of the projects I use and interact with, bugs are taken very >> seriously, and fixed as soon as they are verified (after being >> reported), with a 'thank you very much for reporting this!' response... >> >> It is *only* enhancements/feature requests that get the *very* valid and >> legitimate 'patches welcome!' and/or 'we will happily add that feature >> for you for $##### bucks.' responses... >> >> Libreoffice, and Mozilla Thunderbird are the only projects I use and >> interact with on a daily basis that seem to act totally contrary to >> this, and constantly play the 'fix it yerself/pay someone to fix it for >> you' cards. With Thunderbird, it is really only because they simply >> don't have enough manpower (2 or 3 devs for the entire project, I >> believe), and they are dealing with a ton of pre-existing/old legacy >> code/bugs, and I totally get it. I also totally get it with respect to >> the same code in Libreoffice, and from what I understand, that it is a >> huge monster of a code base. >> >> But all of that is really orthogonal to my main point... >> >> Software developers, whether volunteer or not, should have *some* level >> of responsibility and obligation on their part to fix bugs they >> themselves introduce into code they write. I know I would if I were one, >> and I know I do for anything that I do build. >> >> They write it - they should own it. >> >> I simply don't understand how anyone could believe otherwise. >> >> On 10/2/2014 5:57 PM, Joel Madero <jmadero....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Um - well two points: >>> 1. None of the paid developers are paid by TDF - we have 0 paid >>> developers on staff. >>> 2. Most commits are still done by volunteers and many are done by paid >>> developers on their free time (ie. when they are volunteering). >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
