Hi :)
Sorry for the appalling grammar in that excessively long post!  Hopefully
people can get the gist of what i was trying to say.


Also i think the priorities should be re-arranged.

1.  Using LibreOffice to convert files into Pdfs kinda ensures that ALL
different Pdf-readers are likely to be able to read the documents easily.

2.  Although Rtf was inconsistent in implementation, in much the same way
that DocX has been so far (at least 4 different "transitional" versions so
far), the LibreOffice filters may well be one of the best at importing all
the various different implementations.

In each case it seems the creator of the format makes bold claims of
"interoperability" which they themselves then seem unable to fulfil - but
that everyone else seems to achieve by always having to "play catch-up".

I've not got definitive proof of any of these theories but it's just a
feeling i've built-up over the years from rumour&gossip in forums and from
people around me.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 2 December 2016 at 08:59, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi :)
> Annoyingly PDF is another non-standards based file-format.
>
> In much the same way as RTF, DocX it does keep changing at the whim of a
> single profit-making company - usually this keeps their own product ahead
> of all competitors products in terms of writing  and also in reading that
> format.  With PDF it's Adobe's whims that keep changing the format and
> constantly making it different from other implementations, including their
> own.
>
> So people are kinda forced into using Adobe's PDF reader and need to keep
> updating or upgrading it - or just accept that whichever pdf-reader they
> currently use may not handle all Pdfs. When people use Adobe's newer
> PDF-writer the resulting Pdfs may be unreadable (or have large chunks that
> are unreadable/usable) in anything other than the latest Adobe Pdf-reader
> Non-Adobe PDF-writers continue to write versions of Pdf that can be read by
> almost any Pdf-reader.
>
> Use of Pdf has risen 'recently' due to an increasing lack of confidence in
> documents created in MS Word.  People are finding that even old documents
> may not be read perfectly in newer versions of MS Word than they were
> written with, or even the 'same' version on a different machine.
>
>
> The Pdf format generally removes the ability to edit or modify documents
> so any documents kept only in that format will need to be completely
> re-written for even fairly minor edits  to bring them up-to-date.  Some
> very minor edits may be possible thanks to programs such as LibreOffice but
> such programs rarely allow text to re-flow nicely in the way people usually
> expect of word-processors such as Writer, Word, etc.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 November 2016 at 15:32, Paquin, Brian <brian.paq...@yale.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alexander Thurgood <
>> alex.thurg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Le 29/11/2016 à 15:14, Paquin, Brian a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hi Brian,
>> >
>> > These pages might help you out :
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ooon
>> inja.com_2008_02_batch-2Dcommand-2Dline-2Dfile-2Dconversion-
>> 2Dwith.html&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=jc-EqZyK6fWy
>> s6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3XXoUF8Buso5oApR1
>> LViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=0pN4Ab6qaZ-cZ61tDq5py-5QDraLSw02Zzq6tzIfV7k&e=
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ask.lib
>> reoffice.org_en_question_12084_how-2Dto-2Dconvert-2Ddocument
>> s-2Dto-2Dpdf-2Don-2Dosx_&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdq
>> w&r=jc-EqZyK6fWys6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3
>> XXoUF8Buso5oApR1LViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=891gdnMORdZXeWZhrTdK37K
>> Bxk8APD1D565jAPUVneo&e=
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ask.lib
>> reoffice.org_en_question_2641_convert-2Dto-2Dcommand-2Dline-
>> 2Dparameter_&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=jc-EqZ
>> yK6fWys6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3XXoUF8Buso
>> 5oApR1LViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=---zWRZOThce25xQG0TflLRmcsGqEgT7LFX-Y5T9pt8&e=
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ask.lib
>> reoffice.org_en_question_1686_how-2Dto-2Dnot-2Dconnect-2Dto-
>> 2Da-2Drunning-2Dinstance_&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdq
>> w&r=jc-EqZyK6fWys6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3
>> XXoUF8Buso5oApR1LViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=vNk9JJQj0r5A-4TQB1p2fDq
>> kbcj6fAAYwsbyksKR0AY&e=
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__stackove
>> rflow.com_questions_22062973_libreoffice-2Dconvert-2Dto-
>> 2Dnot-2Dworking&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=jc-EqZyK
>> 6fWys6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3XXoUF8Buso5o
>> ApR1LViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=hOHHGSn1lpS1fXT8tD6_iRsGqPHnXBR6kDEh7QFcMRI&e=
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__stackove
>> rflow.com_questions_19280101_use-2Dlibreoffice-2Dto-
>> 2Dconvert-2Dhtml-2Dto-2Dpdf-2Dfrom-2Dmac-2Dcommand-2Din-
>> 2Dterminal&d=CwIGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=jc-EqZyK6fWys
>> 6oTdMgtt9CjzHj-k5sGu3EHT7qx4Jg&m=XG14LQXWQ3XXoUF8Buso5oApR1L
>> ViTUCSh9Op9_ywCM&s=3o51oiaP6HHXEZMHZ3Vcz3N6jsmA6H4hPrz0UyAlO_c&e=
>> >
>> >
>> > However, it doesn't seem to be immediately obvious.
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>>
>> Thank you Alex and Bruce.
>> The document describing how to use -env was particularly interesting...
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
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