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Den søn. 26. maj 2024 kl. 14.13 skrev James McMahon <jsmcmah...@gmail.com>: > I can tell you from firsthand experience that this Groovy community has > always responded very quickly to questions. I am only a modest level > programmer - a C- at best - and the members here have never looked down on > any question, and have helped me solve some very challenging ones. I have a > lot of respect for the people at groovy.apache.org and nifi.apache.org > who have helped me through the years. Any time I've faced a configuration > impediment or a coding challenge, they've been there. > > On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:01 AM OCsite <o...@ocs.cz> wrote: > >> Martin, >> >> I'd say the community is right here. Whenever I needed a help and neither >> the (excellent, in my opinion) documentation nor sites like Groovy Goodness >> (mrhaki, definitely worth checking whenever in doubt) helped, I've asked >> here, and almost always I've got helpful and very knowledgeable answers. >> >> I would hate it if I had to use something with a terrible GUI like the >> Discord thing instead of a convenient, practical and nice maillist. Besides >> a maillist is conceptually worlds better than any kind of IRC for these >> things, for it sort of endorses thinking through before sending; both your >> questions and the answers tend to be well formulated, while IRCs endorse >> the very opposite. Even if there was an |RC with a good GUI — so far, I >> haven't seen one, but well, in theory such thing might exist — I'd still >> strongly prefer a maillist. >> >> I suggest you try to ask those questions you need help with here and see >> whether you find this list as excellent for learning Groovy and as helpful >> as I did. >> >> All the best, >> OC >> >> On 26. 5. 2024, at 4:13, Polgár Márton <ersterpleghth...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have been experimenting with the thought of learning an accessible, >> reliable and concise scripting language and considered Groovy a worthy >> candidate. To decide whether this is the case, I started doing these little >> exercises online which usually spawns a lot of micro-questions that are >> hard to answer from the docs, no matter that they look alright. This is >> where we arrive at the elephant in the room with Groovy: the striking lack >> of living, interactive, low-barrier communities. >> >> Groovy might not be a trendy language but it has plenty of visibility and >> stakeholders compared to what I was used to with Raku. The big difference >> is that Raku has a vivid IRC network, it has a Discord server, and in >> addition it also has a blog, a subreddit, a legacy mailing list, a Mastodon >> and so on. >> >> Obviously I'm not running around investigating the communities of all >> sorts of niche languages but on Discord I've seen servers for languages >> from Pascal and Prolog to Factor and Uiua. The older languages usually have >> a dedicated IRC channel, some have both. There is also Zig with the >> principle of a distributed community which is to my understanding mostly >> about allowing and encouraging people to create spaces across various >> platforms, with a loose set of rules. >> >> For Groovy, the only real-time platform would be the Slack - if Slack >> being a hassle wasn't enough, it's hidden behind a kind of survey that >> seems to serve some sort of gatekeeping. There is a semi-active subreddit >> and this mailing list. Grails stuff operates under similar terms, except >> half dead. It seems clear that this is not how you get people involved with >> the language in 2024 - honestly, not even having good old IRC with a bunch >> of available people really raises some questions. >> >> Where is the Groovy community? Is there even one? Who are the target >> audience if there is one? Why is there no visible effort to make the >> language more accessible to newcomers, some place they could go and >> practice? Is it that the people running the business are running out of >> motivation or is this Apache project somehow uninterested in extending the >> user/contributor base, unlike most indie projects? >> >> I am really curious about an answer because for me these are questions >> that determine both the practical feasibility to learn a language and the >> overall state and potential of a community. >> >> Sincerely >> Martin Burger >> >> >> -- Med venlig hilsen, Søren Berg Glasius Hedevej 1, Gl. Rye, 8680 Ry Mobile: +45 40 44 91 88 --- Press ESC once to quit - twice to save the changes.
