I think Causeway is an acceptable compromise, I think I'll change my "vote" to that.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:10 PM Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote: > Hi folks, > > OK, I think it's now time to close the vote on the rename; it's almost 3 > weeks since I started this vote. Thank you for everyone who participated. > > The final votes were > > 1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick P, Martin W, Patrick D, > Brian K > 2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*, > Jeroen*, Fernando, Martin H > 3. Kokoro : Dhruv > > * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we wanted to hear > as many voices as possible. > > And here were the remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway > as names: > > Alma +ve > " catchy" > * "write what you hear, very short" > * "alma in portuguese means soul" > > Alma -ve > * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL) > * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway) > * "common word ending up in conflict" > * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to > commemorate the battle of Alma" > * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't > really transport a single idea. > * "Alma" has lots of other meanings in various languages > > Causeway +ve > * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere" > * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between > business and techies]" > * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to > spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like > the hexagonal connection too." > * sounds like it would get me somewhere; easy to introduce to a project > team: "We'll build this on Apache Causeway" > > Causeway -ve > * "hard to write for non-native speakers" > * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches" > * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs" > > *For now, I don't really want to declare either of these as the winner. > Rather, what I would like to do is to perform the next steps for both:* > a) to do the ASF-defined product name search process [2], [3], ie due > diligence > b) come up with some logo and marketing ideas. > > To that end, *I've created a page on our wiki [4]*, with child pages for > each activity. > > Let me suggest that we now *give ourselves 3 weeks* for this; then we can > review what we have. > > Many thanks > Dan > > > [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/ > [2] https://infra.apache.org/project-names.html > [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html > [4] > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ISIS/Apache+Isis+rename+-+next+steps > > On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:46, Jeroen van der Wal <jer...@stromboli.it> > wrote: > > > *not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-) > > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <jer...@stromboli.it> > > wrote: > > > > > Oops, hopefully I'm too late. > > > > > > I cast my vote to: > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Jeroen van der Wal > > > Stromboli b.v. > > > +31 655 874050 > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi folks, > > >> > > >> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few > > days > > >> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two. > > >> > > >> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due > diligence > > >> on > > >> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those > > fun > > >> sort of things. > > >> > > >> For now, though here's the current state of play: > > >> > > >> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*, > > >> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H, > > >> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W > > >> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv > > >> > > >> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to > > hear > > >> as many voices as possible. > > >> > > >> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway > > as > > >> names: > > >> > > >> Alma +ve > > >> " catchy" > > >> * "write what you hear, very short" > > >> * "alma in portuguese means soul" > > >> > > >> Alma -ve > > >> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL) > > >> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for > Causeway) > > >> * "common word ending up in conflict" > > >> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the > UK > > >> to > > >> commemorate the battle of Alma" > > >> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it > doesn't > > >> really transport a single idea. > > >> > > >> Causeway +ve > > >> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere" > > >> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between > > >> business and techies]" > > >> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy > to > > >> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I > like > > >> the hexagonal connection too." > > >> > > >> Causeway -ve > > >> * "hard to write for non-native speakers" > > >> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches" > > >> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs" > > >> > > >> > > >> Thx > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/ > > >> > > >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Please do. > > >> > > > >> > R > > >> > > > >> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on > > >> Slack > > >> > > ... ? > > >> > > > > >> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi All > > >> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those > > years > > >> > ago, > > >> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version > > >> > (ported to > > >> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original > > name. > > >> > That > > >> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few > > >> eyebrows. > > >> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something > > >> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it > > >> from, > > >> > the > > >> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something > unique > > >> and > > >> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived > > in > > >> > towns > > >> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it > > also > > >> had > > >> > > > that goddess connection. > > >> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately > > >> > associations > > >> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A > > local > > >> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me > > that > > >> > many > > >> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change > > their > > >> > > > company names over the recent years. > > >> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy > > is > > >> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that > he > > >> had > > >> > put > > >> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into > his > > >> Golf > > >> > and > > >> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. > We > > >> > started > > >> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still > > have > > >> the > > >> > > > important part. > > >> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This > > >> gets > > >> > my > > >> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one > first, > > >> so: > > >> > 1) > > >> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro. > > >> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time! > > >> > > > Best regards > > >> > > > Robert > > >> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi folks, > > >> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, > see > > >> for > > >> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start > the > > >> > process > > >> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking > > >> > informally/offline > > >> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few > > front-runners. > > >> > So the > > >> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote > for > > >> > > > something > > >> > > > > else. > > >> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following: > > >> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* > > >> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway* > > >> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro* > > >> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name > > >> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of > them, > > >> > give me > > >> > > > > some *other choices*! > > >> > > > > Background on the first three choices: > > >> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little > > round > > >> > pole) > > >> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting > > the > > >> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think > > >> "alma > > >> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business > with > > >> > > > technology, > > >> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business. > > >> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern > > Ireland, > > >> a > > >> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns > > [3]. > > >> The > > >> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the > > hexagons > > >> > also > > >> > > > are > > >> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD. > > >> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting > > heart, > > >> > mind, > > >> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use > > >> Japanese > > >> > > > words. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes > > >> from > > >> > the > > >> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the > > >> original > > >> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). > Isis > > of > > >> > course > > >> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5]. > > >> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it > might > > >> make > > >> > > > sense > > >> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, > > >> well, > > >> > we'll > > >> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change > that > > >> > no-one > > >> > > > is > > >> > > > > happy with. > > >> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep > this > > >> one > > >> > open > > >> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to > the > > >> > thread. > > >> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd > be > > >> > good to > > >> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can. > > >> > > > > Thanks > > >> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303 > > >> > > > > [2] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg > > >> > > > > [3] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg > > >> > > > > [4] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/ > > >> > > > > [5] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt > > >> > > > > . > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
