Thank you Tiago and Alex for your messages.
My comments:
Could you please clarify whether your invocation of Workflows would be done via
Java APIs or REST APIs?
Java APIs.
For custom form definitions we only provide form code generation (Bootstrap or
PatternFly) commands in our BPMN Editor VS Code extension, but you can
certainly rely on Management Console’s auto-generated forms for completing User
Tasks if you’d like to.
I was more referring to the capability of defining forms in terms of abstract
fields, approvers etc, with rendering and interaction implemented by Syncope
web components (Admin Console and Self-service Enduser).
This is what we have today.
In other words, you can't just embed the engine and send different BPMN files
in runtime, the BPMN files are actually translated in code
that are executed in runtime.
This is unfortunate: runtime worlfow definition and update is a key feature for
Syncope.
I am afraid that this is a showstopper for my PoC, at least for the moment.
Thank you again for your explanations.
Regards.
On 25/04/25 15:14, Alex Porcelli wrote:
One comment on top of Tiago's very helpful email is the fact that in
KIE today workflows are not dynamic, which means that you need rebuild
the project everytime the process changes.
In other words, you can't just embed the engine and send different
BPMN files in runtime, the BPMN files are actually translated in code
that are executed in runtime.
This approach is aligned with Cloud native architecture, due its immutability.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:54 PM Tiago Bento <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Francesco,
Thank you for your interest in Apache KIE and your insightful email.
I definitely think you can build a PoC based on Apache KIE for your
use-case. The best resource I can point you to get started at the
moment is
https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-examples/tree/10.0.x,
where you’ll find applications showcasing the different capabilities
we have.
Could you please clarify whether your invocation of Workflows would be
done via Java APIs or REST APIs?
The web-based modelers you can use are KIE Sandbox
(https://sandbox.kie.org, also available as a Container image) or a
standalone JavaScript library containing the BPMN Editor itself. I
have to say though I’m currently working on a new version of the BPMN
Editor, so keep an eye out in the upcoming weeks if you’re interested
in helping test it first-hand. This new BPMN Editor will also be
consumable as a standard React component.
For custom form definitions we only provide form code generation
(Bootstrap or PatternFly) commands in our BPMN Editor VS Code
extension, but you can certainly rely on Management Console’s
auto-generated forms for completing User Tasks if you’d like to. The
form code generation and auto-generated form libraries we have for
BPMN models are not necessarily ready to be used directly, but with
some work they might be.
Hope to have helped 😊
Regards,
Tiago Bento
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 10:28 AM Francesco Chicchiriccò
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi there,
at Syncope we have been integrating 3rd party tools to define user lifecycle
[1] and user requests [2]: currently it's Flowable, it used to be Activiti
until a few years ago.
We are now looking for a replacement [3], because "you can't trust freedom when it's
not in your hands" (cit.) e.g. we are having troubles with the Freemium model over
there.
So I have noticed your project in the Incubator and I was wondering if I could
build some kind of PoC to understand whether Kie could be a good candidate.
Essentially, we need to embed a BPMN engine, whose API would be indirectly
invoked only by Syncope internal components.
Special needs are (a) form definition to manage approvals and (b) web UI editor.
Do you think that Kie would be good for this? If so, would you be able to
suggest some steps about how to create a simple Maven project to bootstrap and
embedded environment?
Thank you in advance.
Regards.
[1] https://syncope.apache.org/docs/4.0/reference-guide.html#workflow-layer
[2]
https://syncope.apache.org/docs/4.0/reference-guide.html#flowable-user-workflow-adapter
[3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SYNCOPE-1718
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Francesco Chicchiriccò
Tirasa - Open Source Excellence
http://www.tirasa.net/
Member at The Apache Software Foundation
Syncope, Cocoon, Olingo, CXF, OpenJPA
https://about.me/ilgrosso
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