>Fedora rolled this in 38, AFAIK. It's a major hassle for users, IMHO, and
it seems a really unfortunate change to me.

I did a new clean install with Fedora 39 and this is still the update
method I use with pip instead of pipx.

Jeff
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:12 PM Dan Smith via Users <
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> > Note that I do not use pipx.
> > I do my updates with pip using the command
> > `pip install --upgrade chirp-20240504.tar.gz`
> > and it does the install/upgrade flawlessly
> > This is on Fedora 40 and it has worked this way since Fedora 37 for me
> > with upgrades to each version in between (both of the OS and chirp).
>
> I imagine this works for you only because you've upgraded from before
> Fedora 38. The python community is moving to a model where you are barred
> from installing non-distro packages into the regular namespace, and thus
> pipx (or venv) is required. Here are the details:
>
>
> https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/externally-managed-environments/
>
> All new installs of every distro I've seen now have the flag enabled,
> which means pip refuses to do anything unless it's inside a venv. Fedora
> rolled this in 38, AFAIK. It's a major hassle for users, IMHO, and it seems
> a really unfortunate change to me. But, it's something upstream python and
> the distros have decided for us, so we just have to deal with it.
>
> --Dan
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