On 06/27/2017 09:06 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:
> Yep. Everything looks perfect thats the odd part. Microsoft themselves said
> its not being blocked by any type of anti-spam.

The most likely reason is that there is something with your IP
address/SMTP config that O365 does not like.

Some possible reasons:

- The reverse IP address of the external IP used by CipherMail is not
equal to the hostname configured in the MTA settings

- You are using a from address which is not authorized to use your IP
(for example you use @gmail.com as the from or sender address)

- You have setup SPF but the IP address used by CipherMail is not
allowed by your SPF records

- You have too many recipients at the same time (O365 might not like that)

Kind regards,

Martijn


> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
> users@lists.djigzo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Have you checked your Ciphermail IP (assuming it’s public) against any
>> blacklists?
>>
>> https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:52 PM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> Correct. Microsoft states no issues.. Here's what I sent Martijn.
>>
>> We have a postfix server (plesk) that sends emails to cipher mail. So
>> someone in plesk sends an email lets say j...@apple.com<mailto:joe@
>> apple.com> is sending an email out to s...@banana.com<mailto:susi@
>> banana.com>. Our plesk server hosts the @apple.com<http://apple.com/>
>> domain. In postfix on the plesk server, we have it setup with:
>>
>> relayhost = (cipermailserver IP)
>>
>> Mail then gets sent over to the ciphermail server. Ciphermail has the IP
>> of the plesk mail server setup as "my networks". And then it goes out from
>> there and just encrypts based on [encrypt] subject.
>>
>> There are a few domains hosted on the plesk server that would route
>> through the cipermail server.
>>
>> MTA Config:
>>
>> https://cl.ly/1Q2o312u073q
>>
>> Global:
>>
>> https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y
>>
>> So my issue is anytime I email out to anyone on Officer 365, I get this
>> code:
>>
>> https://cl.ly/312x3c2N2c0s
>>
>> SFP records include both the plesk email server and ciphermail server,
>> MXtoolbox shows 100% green, sending reputation is perfect.
>>
>> Hopefully this helps some..
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>> wrote:
>> But when you send to other recipients who are not on Office 365, it’s no
>> problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:37 PM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> Correct!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>> wrote:
>> So, email goes from your email server to ciphermail box out to its final
>> destination. But when you send email out to Office 365 recipient you are
>> getting 550 Mailbox Unavailable messages? Or am I misunderstanding what’s
>> happening?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:49 AM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>>; Martijn Brinkers <mart...@ciphermail.com
>> <mailto:mart...@ciphermail.com><mailto:mart...@ciphermail.com<mailto:
>> mart...@ciphermail.com>>>
>> Cc: users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> Here is snippet:
>>
>> https://cl.ly/3w3Q2U1l1N32
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Paul Bronson <signaldevelo...@gmail.com<
>> mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:signa
>> ldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> Dino/Matijn,
>>
>> I am getting a lot of 550 Mailbox Unavailable for people who are using
>> microsoft 365. It happened as soon as we turned on the cipher mail server.
>> Everythins is good via mxtoolbox (all green checkmarks) but not sure why we
>> keep getthing this message. If I turn off cipher mail and just go from
>> email server to outlook 365 it goes through fine.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Paul Bronson <signaldevelo...@gmail.com<
>> mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:signa
>> ldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> DIno,
>>
>> Thanks for all your help! Can you post the complete apache config file?
>> Also I think the paths are wrong (?) Mine is https://x.x.x.x:8443/
>> ciphermail is the main admin page.. I wanted to change the main portal
>> page to something else so I could block port access to 8443 on the firewall
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>>> wrote:
>> There is certainly  way to do it with Tomcat but I can’t really help with
>> that, I’m not that familiar with it. I can tell you that Apache is a much
>> more advanced http server with a lot more functionality than Tomcat. Tomcat
>> is primarily designed to serve Java Servlets and JSPs.
>>
>> My method is simpler I believe because it does not require you changing
>> the configuration of Tomcat and ciphermail. You simply put Apache in front
>> of it with the mod_proxy_ajp module which communicates with Tomcat  using
>> the default config.
>>
>> Of course, it’s all up to you how you want to proceed.
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:s
>> ignaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>]
>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:48 PM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<
>> mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> I dont NEED to use apache, is there a way to do it with tomcat?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
>> <mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users
>> @lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:use
>> r...@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com>>>>> wrote:
>> The following settings in main.cf<http://main.cf><http://main.cf><
>> http://main.cf><http://main.cf> should get you started for TLS:
>>
>> # TLS parameters
>> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/cert.cer
>> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/certs/key.key
>> smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/root.cer
>> #smtpd_use_tls=yes
>> smtpd_tls_security_level = may
>> smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
>> smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache
>> smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1
>>
>> I misspoke earlier. It’s been so long since I did this. Ciphermail comes
>> bundled with Tomcat and it runs on port 8888 if I’m not mistaking. So, if
>> you want to utilize Apache instead, you have to install mod_proxy_ajp
>> module in Apache and setup an apache config like below:
>>
>> ProxyPass /djigzo http://localhost:8888/djigzo
>> ProxyPassReverse /djigzo http://localhost:8888/djigzo
>> ProxyPass /web http://localhost:8888/web
>> ProxyPassReverse /web http://localhost:8888/web
>> ProxyTimeout 3600
>>
>>
>> Changing the port has to be done within apache. So, if you want to use
>> 443, you must of course install mod_ssl on apache, as well as certificate.
>> I have a complete Apache config file if you want, let me know and I’ll post
>> the relevant parts.
>>
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:s
>> ignaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>>]
>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<
>> mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>><mailto:din
>> o.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>>>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>>>>
>> Cc: users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
>> <mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users
>> @lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:use
>> r...@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com>>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> Okay I will try that. I am also noticing that mxtoolbox states this server
>> isn't configured for TLS? I do not see any settings under interface for
>> this. Is this set on postfix main.cf<http://main.cf><http://main.cf><
>> http://main.cf><http://main.cf><http://main.cf> file manually?
>>
>> Also if I wanted to remove the port or change the port to a default 443 do
>> I need to do this within apache, or does the GUI do the config itself?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
>> <mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users
>> @lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:use
>> r...@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com>>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
>>> <mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:use
>> r...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>>>>> wrote:
>> I’m guessing sendmail got installed by accident or as part of something
>> else. Not sure. I would either uninstall sendmail or change its port number
>> if it’s absolutely necessary, although it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
>>
>> Since the Web GUI runs on a different port, you can set whatever hostname
>> you want in ciphermail as long as that hostname is resolvable by the
>> outside world and as long as the back-end webserver (apache I assume) is
>> configured to answer on that port. So, if you want the web portal to be
>> https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/ in ciphermail under settings --> portal
>>
>> è Base URL you set it as follows:
>>
>> https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:s
>> ignaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:signa
>> ldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:signal
>> develo...@gmail.com>><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com><mailto:signaldevelo...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> signaldevelo...@gmail.com>>>>>]
>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:13 PM
>> To: Dino Edwards <dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<
>> mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>><mailto:din
>> o.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>>>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>>><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<
>> mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>><mailto:dino
>> .edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>>>>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:dino.edwards@
>> mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<mailto:
>> dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net<
>> mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net><mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net
>> <mailto:dino.edwa...@mydirectmail.net>>>>>>
>> Cc: users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
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>> users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.
>> djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
>>> <mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:use
>> r...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> Hi Dino,
>>
>> Wonder why sendmail keeps trying to start then.. Odd.
>>
>> I'd really like to set the web portal to a different address versus the
>> HELO name I meant, sorry.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dino Edwards via Users <
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>><mailto:
>> users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:users@lists.
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>> djigzo.com>>><mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com
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>> r...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>>>>>> wrote:
>> You don't need both. One or the other, although Postfix is recommended.
>>
>> Different site, meaning different server?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> <mailto:users-boun...@lists.djigzo.com>>>>>>] On Behalf Of Paul Bronson
>> via Users
>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:57 PM
>> To: Martijn Brinkers <mart...@ciphermail.com<mailto:mart...@ciphermail.com
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>> Subject: Re: [Djigzo users] Servers wont talk to me!
>>
>> IP Is not blacklisted, reverse DNS has been setup also.
>>
>> For some reason sendmail and postfix are using the same port? Do I need
>> both?
>>
>> I would also like to set the web portal to a different site versus the
>> hostname.
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Martijn Brinkers via Users <
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>> r...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com><mailto:us
>> e...@lists.djigzo.com<mailto:users@lists.djigzo.com>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/22/2017 10:32 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:
>>>> Okay here is what I have.. Still not sure what's wrong.
>>>>
>>>> http://imgur.com/a/k0ysM
>>>> http://imgur.com/a/QuyaO
>>>> http://imgur.com/a/9pNyl
>>>>
>>>> I have the IP listed in my networks.
>>>>
>>>> So my setup goes like this:
>>>>
>>>> Incoming email >> firewall >> email server
>>>>
>>>> Cipher mail is not used for incoming, but my outgoing setup is:
>>>>
>>>> Outgoing email >> email server >> ciphermail server >> firewall >>
>>> internet
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I think something is getting clogged up on CM
>>>> server. I have the email server (postfix) setup with a relayhost, so
>>>> it will
>>> forward
>>>> all mails to the ciphermail server. The "locality" setting on my
>>>> server
>>> is
>>>> "external" - does this matter? It's behind our firewall and should
>>>> only
>>> be
>>>> sending mail off from our internal mail server.
>>>>
>>>> I had it on in the morning and the others told me they are getting a
>>>> lot
>>> of
>>>> bouncebacks. I have a feeling this is because of the SFP records but
>>>> I
>>> want
>>>> to make sure the server is setup properly.
>>>>
>>>> The OTP you helped me with works now also, thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Everything is inherited from global also.
>>>
>>> Once the email has been handled by the back-end (MPA), the email is
>>> handed over to the MTA (Postfix). The MTA is responsible for
>>> delivering the email. If the email is not delivered you should check
>>> the MTA logs to see why. There can be a number of reasons why the
>>> recipients mail server won't accept email: your IP address might be
>>> dynamic (i.e., some consumer type ISP), there is no IP reverse name
>>> for your IP address, the reverse IP name is not the same as the SMTP
>>> helo name. your IP might be black-listed.
>>>
>>> Solving this does not involve making changes in the CipherMail global
>>> settings. The only change in CipherMail that influences delivery is
>>> the MTA helo name.
>>>
>>> Could you sent some MTA logs showing which mails were not delivered?
>>>
>>> What is the IP address the CipherMail gateway is using?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Martijn Brinkers
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> CipherMail email encryption
>>>
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>>> secure webmail pull.
>>>
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>>>
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