On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 14:00, Joe Zeff <j...@zeff.us> wrote: > On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote: > > The Gnome software manager has the added advantages > > that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of major > > applications. > > The forced reboot is only an advantage if some of the upgrades require a > reboot to get them started. Most upgrades only need to have their > package restarted, and that only if it was running when the upgrade > occurs. This is what needs-restarting is for, but if you don't know how > to use dnf (and don't want to) it's not going to do you any good. And, > for that matter, what do people like that do if they're not set up with > Gnome? My personal opinion is that people like that should be using > Ubuntu, as that distro is specifically designed for Windows refugees. > (I've set two people up with Linux because they wanted to get away from > Windows, and both of them are happily running Xubuntu.) >
The forums for some of the mission critical applications have seen cases where users were told to install an updated distro package. User then reports that the update had no effect (because the old library is still being used) and proceeds to run wild reinstalling the OS from scratch, etc. Forums get blamed for recommending updates that trashed the users system. Among my colleagues, Ubuntu and derivative distros are very widely used, especially outside N. America. Many of the sites that use Fedora do so because the heavy lifting is done on RHEL or derivative rpm-based distros and HPC hardware. > Sorry for ranting, but forced reboots are a pet peeve of mine and you > just petted it. > As long as the Gnome software manager doesn't get in the way of doing updates with DNF, you should be able to leave it to the users who insist on doing everything with GUI's. When dealing with armies of "untrained" users, we need simple default updating workflows, even at a cost of users' time. Requiring a reboot simplifies troubleshooting and minimizes opportunities for misguided and unrecoverable user problem solving. -- George N. White III
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