On 5/6/2012 8:04 PM, Jayson Rowe wrote:
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 07:36:38PM -0700, J D wrote:

On 5/6/2012 3:58 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 06/05/12 22:50, JD wrote:

Hi All,
Without dissing or criticizing gnome3, I must say
I have nothing but problems with using it.
For example, selecting the Gnome, or the Classic Gnome
desktop manager, I can no longer see the desktop in other
workspaces that I created, except workspace 1.
Viewing the desktop in a window (as compared on the workspace)
does not cut it for me...
Starting apps always start in workspace 1, even though
I select the app from Applications drop down menu in
some other workspace.
I am unable to change the position of the Applications
toolbar to the left vertical position, and the currently
running apps toolbar to the right vertical position.
I am unable to create new gnome launch icons on the
desktop (or at least, I have not figured out how). Right click
on desktop has no effect.
I am unable to add new icons of apps to the menu bar for quick launch.

And finally, on my HW (AMD Athlon64 3200+)) platform,
the response time with F16 is so horribly slow, that F14 practically
appeared to respond like lightning - albeit I have had much
faster response time on older Fedora releases (such as F7 and F8),
on this same HW.

In short, I think I will have to dump F16, and switch back to
F14 or switch to a completely different distro that has not switched to
gnome3.

Thanx for all the good and the bad times :)

Have you tried running in Fallback mode? I find it perfectly
usable in that mode.

I ran preupgrade today from 15 ->  16&  apart from a twenty minute
stall at selinux-targeted-policy during the upgrade it went
without a hitch&  16 is far snappier than 15&  boots a lot
quicker.

The most surprising thing of all is that the upgrade was carried
out on an old IBM ThinkPad T42 with 1GB of RAM&  in fallback it's
flying along&  I see none of the problems you're describing.

I hope you get it sorted. I did run the KDE Live CD before
upgrading but decided to stick with Gnome albeit without the
visual bells&  whistles.

Cheers,

  Phil...
I had done a fresh install of F16, as the upgrade left my machine in
an unusable state.
I do not recall seeing anything about fallback mode.

As an update to my post, I found that xfce is much more like Gnome2, albeit
it is still a wee bit too rigid as far as letting the user decide
where the task bar and
the apps launch bar should be located. But all in all, xfce has come
to the rescue :)

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Hi JD,
I'm not sure what you mean by "Rigid". On the machine I have XFCE
running on, it's setup is nearly identical to GNOME2 (after some
tweaks). I set both the top and bottom panels to 24px, and have them
both expanded the full width of the screen. The top panel has the
"Applications Menu", several application launchers, my network and mixer
applets, my clock (I use orage), and a log-out button. The bottom panel
has my taskbar, and to the right my workspace switcher. Just tinker
around with it, and I'm sure you'll get a setup that is just right for
you, and pretty close to whatever config you were used to in GNOME2.

Good luck!
Jayson

By "rigid" I mean that the task bar cannot be moved to right vertical side,
and app launch bar cannot be moved to left vertical side. That's all. Otherwise,
you are right that it is almost identical to Gnome2.

Cheers,

JD
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