First of all, thanks a lot to Jaime for your help yesterday. I did not have
time to test the Xen solution and I simply have one question :

- The image I downloaded from qemu website work. So, what is so special in
the ttylinux image (and in the one you sent me) so that they can not boot?
This is just for my personal knowledge ;)

Christophe

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals Link <
christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:

> I just downloaded a small image from http://wiki.qemu.org/Download :
> http://wiki.qemu.org/download/linux-0.2.img.bz2
> It boots without any problem and I am able to connect it with VNC and to
> access to the shell...
> So let's say that the problem comes from ttylinux image under some
> conditions ... Where can I find the documentation to create image from
> scratch and add all that is needed to assign IP addresses to this image ie
> how do you create the ttylinux.img file?
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Melis <j.me...@fdi.ucm.es> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christophe,
>>
>> yes you can, without a problem: onehost create localhost im_kvm vmm_kvm
>> tm_nfs
>>
>> Also, it has to able to ssh into itself passwordlessly
>>
>> regards,
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals Link
>> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> > Ok thanks, that is what I am thinking too.
>> > So, the question is : Can I run both Front and Node on the same host? I
>> > think so, but can you confirm?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jaime Melis <j.me...@fdi.ucm.es>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Christophe,
>> >>
>> >> Your deployment file seems correct.
>> >>
>> >> You said in your first email:
>> >> > My environment : libvirt/KVM on Debian 5 (In fact the Debian Node
>> runs
>> >> > on top of virtual box, I hope that it is not a problem).
>> >>
>> >> We are thinking the problem might be that. In order to discard that
>> >> possibility, could you by any chance try to virtualize on a physical
>> >> host?
>> >>
>> >> In any case we are positive your network configuration is OK, and your
>> >> OpenNebula configuration is also OK. The problem here is the
>> >> hypervisor, which is not working correctly.
>> >>
>> >> regards,
>> >> Jaime
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals Link
>> >> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> >> > md5 SUM is OK. Here is the dump :
>> >> > debian-node01:~# virsh -c qemu:///system dumpxml one-20
>> >> > <domain type='kvm' id='1'>
>> >> >   <name>one-20</name>
>> >> >   <uuid>34c3f015-0127-2bca-a9a8-646adf25d83e</uuid>
>> >> >   <memory>65536</memory>
>> >> >   <currentMemory>65536</currentMemory>
>> >> >   <vcpu>1</vcpu>
>> >> >   <os>
>> >> >     <type arch='i686' machine='pc'>hvm</type>
>> >> >     <boot dev='hd'/>
>> >> >   </os>
>> >> >   <clock offset='utc'/>
>> >> >   <on_poweroff>destroy</on_poweroff>
>> >> >   <on_reboot>restart</on_reboot>
>> >> >   <on_crash>destroy</on_crash>
>> >> >   <devices>
>> >> >     <emulator>/usr/bin/kvm</emulator>
>> >> >     <disk type='file' device='disk'>
>> >> >       <driver name='qemu' type='raw'/>
>> >> >       <source file='/srv/cloud/one/var//20/images/disk.0'/>
>> >> >       <target dev='hda' bus='ide'/>
>> >> >     </disk>
>> >> >     <interface type='bridge'>
>> >> >       <mac address='02:00:c0:a8:02:47'/>
>> >> >       <source bridge='br0'/>
>> >> >       <target dev='vnet0'/>
>> >> >     </interface>
>> >> >     <input type='mouse' bus='ps2'/>
>> >> >     <graphics type='vnc' port='5900' autoport='no' listen='0.0.0.0'/>
>> >> >   </devices>
>> >> > </domain>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jaime Melis <j.me...@fdi.ucm.es>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Christophe,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I understand correctly you're trying with the ttylinux image at:
>> >> >> http://dev.opennebula.org/attachments/download/170/ttylinux.tar.gz
>> >> >> correct?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have downloaded it again and tested it and it works for me. Could
>> it
>> >> >> be that yout image is corrupt?
>> >> >> The md5sum should be:
>> >> >> 04c7d00e88fa66d9aaa34d9cf8ad6aaa  ttylinux.img
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you're trying this with the correct image, can you send us the
>> >> >> output of virsh dumpxl of the running vm?
>> >> >> virsh -c qemu:///system dumpxl one-<VMID>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Jaime
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals Link
>> >> >> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >> > So you are right, something looks wrong in the ttylinux image. I
>> am
>> >> >> > able
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > connect to the VM with VNC and it seems to have some problems with
>> >> >> > LILO
>> >> >> > :
>> >> >> > "
>> >> >> > Booting from Hard Disk...
>> >> >> > LILO - Keytable read/checksum error
>> >> >> > "
>> >> >> > and nothing more... :(
>> >> >> > Attached is the screenshot of VNC viewer window.
>> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jaime Melis <j.me...@fdi.ucm.es>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No, launch the vncviewer from your desktop PC, connecting to your
>> >> >> >> worker node (which is running the VM):
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> vncviewer 192.168.2.61::5900
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Jaime
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals
>> Link
>> >> >> >> <chamerling.eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Ok i Will try this. I need to launch vnc viewer from node?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Le 15 déc. 2010 à 18:06, Jaime Melis <j.me...@fdi.ucm.es> a
>> écrit
>> >> >> >> > :
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Christophe,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I've been reading the thread but I think your configuration
>> looks
>> >> >> >> >> correct. Can you give it a shot at using VNC to see if the VM
>> is
>> >> >> >> >> booting up correctly? Maybe there's a problem with the VM...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Add the following to your ONE template:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> GRAPHICS = [
>> >> >> >> >>  TYPE    = "vnc",
>> >> >> >> >>  LISTEN  = "0.0.0.0",
>> >> >> >> >>  PORT    = "5900"]
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Start the VM and connect to it via a VNC client (for instance
>> >> >> >> >> vncviewer). Inspect the VM to see if there's a problem with
>> it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> >> Jaime
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Christophe Hamerling - Petals
>> >> >> >> >> Link
>> >> >> >> >> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> I am wondering if the problem does not also comes from the
>> >> >> >> >>> virtual
>> >> >> >> >>> network
>> >> >> >> >>> configuration.
>> >> >> >> >>> Here is my configuration :
>> >> >> >> >>> I am at home, my LAN address is 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 .
>> GW
>> >> >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> >> >>> 192.168.2.1
>> >> >> >> >>> My front address is 192.168.2.60 and the node one is
>> >> >> >> >>> 192.168.2.61
>> >> >> >> >>> I tried to setup a bridge on the node, it seems to work
>> (refer
>> >> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >> >>> my
>> >> >> >> >>> previous mails).
>> >> >> >> >>> I try to create a VM and to reach it at 192.168.2.71 but I am
>> >> >> >> >>> wondering now
>> >> >> >> >>> if it is possible to access a VM network from my laptop for
>> >> >> >> >>> exemple?
>> >> >> >> >>> How can
>> >> >> >> >>> I say to opennebula that I want to 'publish' VMs on my LAN?
>> Is
>> >> >> >> >>> PUBLIC
>> >> >> >> >>> = YES
>> >> >> >> >>> is enough in the network configuration file? Do I need to put
>> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >>> front as a
>> >> >> >> >>> gateway somewhere, or another host?
>> >> >> >> >>> Thanks a lot
>> >> >> >> >>> Christophe
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Christophe Hamerling -
>> Petals
>> >> >> >> >>> Link
>> >> >> >> >>> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Is there a link between the MAC address defined in the VM
>> and
>> >> >> >> >>>> with
>> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>> ones listed with ifconfig on the node? I do not have any.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Christophe Hamerling -
>> Petals
>> >> >> >> >>>> Link
>> >> >> >> >>>> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Is there a web page where the network configuration on
>> front
>> >> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >>>>> nodes is
>> >> >> >> >>>>> described? The only thing that I can find is
>> >> >> >> >>>>> at
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> http://marianmi.comp.nus.edu.sg/2010/08/opennebula-installation-and-configuration-guide.php
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I really think that it is a network configuration problem.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Here
>> >> >> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >>>>> what I
>> >> >> >> >>>>> did :
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Front : eth0 = 192.168.2.60
>> >> >> >> >>>>> On the Node : br0 = 192.168.2.61
>> >> >> >> >>>>> The gateway defined to 192.168.2.60, not sure about that.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Using
>> >> >> >> >>>>> my
>> >> >> >> >>>>> internet box as gateway does not work too.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I defined a LEASES address out of my DHCP range.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> When the VM is starting, I can see on the node a new
>> network
>> >> >> >> >>>>> interface
>> >> >> >> >>>>> named vnet0 with the same mac address of my bridge. Is it
>> ok?
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Before the VM start, the br0 mac address is the same as
>> >> >> >> >>>>> eth0...
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Is
>> >> >> >> >>>>> this a
>> >> >> >> >>>>> normal behaviour?
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Here is my ifconfig log
>> >> >> >> >>>>> br0       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:ff:da:72:02:21
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           inet adr:192.168.2.61  Bcast:192.168.2.255
>> >> >> >> >>>>>  Masque:255.255.255.0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           adr inet6: fe80::a00:27ff:fed7:f0fd/64 Scope:Lien
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500
>>  Metric:1
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX packets:787 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> frame:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           TX packets:500 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> carrier:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           collisions:0 lg file transmission:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX bytes:126978 (124.0 KiB)  TX bytes:81984 (80.0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> KiB)
>> >> >> >> >>>>> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 08:00:27:d7:f0:fd
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           adr inet6: fe80::a00:27ff:fed7:f0fd/64 Scope:Lien
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500
>>  Metric:1
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX packets:1268 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> frame:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           TX packets:506 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> carrier:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX bytes:188739 (184.3 KiB)  TX bytes:82452 (80.5
>> >> >> >> >>>>> KiB)
>> >> >> >> >>>>> lo        Link encap:Boucle locale
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           inet adr:127.0.0.1  Masque:255.0.0.0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           adr inet6: ::1/128 Scope:Hôte
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> frame:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           TX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> carrier:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           collisions:0 lg file transmission:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX bytes:2156 (2.1 KiB)  TX bytes:2156 (2.1 KiB)
>> >> >> >> >>>>> vnet0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:ff:da:72:02:21
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           adr inet6: fe80::2ff:daff:fe72:221/64 Scope:Lien
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500
>>  Metric:1
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> frame:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           TX packets:226 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>> carrier:0
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           collisions:0 lg file transmission:500
>> >> >> >> >>>>>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:38791 (37.8 KiB)
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri
>> >> >> >> >>>>> <sa...@eng.it>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "CH" == Christophe Hamerling <- Petals Link
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <christophe.hamerl...@petalslink.com>> writes:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> CH> Ok, so I will check that the generated IP is the one
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> expected
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> from
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> CH> the leases list based on this script algorithm.  Is
>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> VM
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> CH> exploded somewhere at startup? If yes, where?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> No, it is not.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> A _new_, temporary "cd image" is created on the fly and
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> mounted
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> at
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> first boot, AFAIK.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> ing. Gian Uberto Lauri
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Ricercatore / Reasearcher
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Divisione Ricerca ed Innovazione / Research & Innovation
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Division
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> gianuberto.la...@eng.it
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Engineering Ingegneria Informatica spa
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Corso Stati Uniti 23/C, 35127 Padova (PD)
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Tel. +39-049.8283.538         |
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Fax  +39-049.8283.569             |
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>  (unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Skype: gian.uberto.lauri          |          David Korn,
>> AT&T
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Bell
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Labs
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> http://www.eng.it                         |
>>  ioccc
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> best
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> One
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Liner, 1987
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Users mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Users@lists.opennebula.org
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> http://lists.opennebula.org/listinfo.cgi/users-opennebula.org
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Christophe Hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>>>> R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> >> >> >> >>>>> OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> --
>> >> >> >> >>>> Christophe Hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>>> R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> >> >> >> >>>> Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> >> >> >> >>>> OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> >> >> >> >>>> Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>>> Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> >> >> >> >>>> Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >> >>> Christophe Hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>> R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> >> >> >> >>> Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> >> >> >> >>> OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> >> >> >> >>> Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> >> >> >> >>> Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> >> >> >> >>> Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >>> Users mailing list
>> >> >> >> >>> Users@lists.opennebula.org
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> http://lists.opennebula.org/listinfo.cgi/users-opennebula.org
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Jaime Melis, Cloud Technology Engineer/Researcher
>> >> >> >> >> DSA Research Group: web http://dsa-research.org and blog
>> >> >> >> >> http://blog.dsa-research.org
>> >> >> >> >> OpenNebula Open Source Toolkit for Cloud Computing:
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.OpenNebula.org
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Jaime Melis, Cloud Technology Engineer/Researcher
>> >> >> >> DSA Research Group: web http://dsa-research.org and blog
>> >> >> >> http://blog.dsa-research.org
>> >> >> >> OpenNebula Open Source Toolkit for Cloud Computing:
>> >> >> >> http://www.OpenNebula.org
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Christophe Hamerling
>> >> >> > R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> >> >> > Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> >> >> > OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> >> >> > Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> >> >> > Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> >> >> > Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Jaime Melis, Cloud Technology Engineer/Researcher
>> >> >> DSA Research Group: web http://dsa-research.org and blog
>> >> >> http://blog.dsa-research.org
>> >> >> OpenNebula Open Source Toolkit for Cloud Computing:
>> >> >> http://www.OpenNebula.org
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Users mailing list
>> >> >> Users@lists.opennebula.org
>> >> >> http://lists.opennebula.org/listinfo.cgi/users-opennebula.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Christophe Hamerling
>> >> > R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> >> > Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> >> > OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> >> > Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> >> > Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> >> > Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jaime Melis, Cloud Technology Engineer/Researcher
>> >> DSA Research Group: web http://dsa-research.org and blog
>> >> http://blog.dsa-research.org
>> >> OpenNebula Open Source Toolkit for Cloud Computing:
>> >> http://www.OpenNebula.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Christophe Hamerling
>> > R&D Engineer & Project Leader
>> > Petals Link - SOA open-source company
>> > OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
>> > Skype : christophe.hamerling
>> > Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
>> > Blog : http://chamerling.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jaime Melis, Cloud Technology Engineer/Researcher
>> DSA Research Group: web http://dsa-research.org and blog
>> http://blog.dsa-research.org
>> OpenNebula Open Source Toolkit for Cloud Computing:
>> http://www.OpenNebula.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users@lists.opennebula.org
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christophe Hamerling
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> Petals Link - SOA open-source company
> OW2 PEtALS SOA Suite Comitter
> Skype : christophe.hamerling
> Jabber : chamerl...@jabber.org
> Blog : http://chamerling.org
>
>


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