2009/9/9 Charles Partridge <cpartri...@chipeval.org>

> Greetings,
>
> Does there exists a method to identify and delete duplicate rows in Calc?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Chip Partridge
>
>
> Dr. Charles R. Partridge
> Independent Evaluator & Human Ecologist
> CHIP Evaluation Consulting
> cpartri...@chipeval.org
> www.linkedin.com/in/charlespartridge
>

First, please in future do not "hijack threads" by replying to an existing
topic and simply changing the Subject line. It is considered to be extremely
impolite, exactly similar to completely changing the subject during a normal
conversation. Instead, start a new discussion by using the Create Mail
button, or whatever it is called, in your mail program. I have left intact,
below this reply, the discussion thread you hijacked so that you can see
what I'm talking about..

Now, to your question:

   1. Select the entire range of data on which you want to operate
   2. Go to the menu option Data>Filter>Standard Filter
   3. In the pane that opens there's a column labelled "Field name". Select
   "-none-" from the drop down list for *only* the first row.
   4. Click the More button
   5. If it is ticked (checked), uncheck the box labelled "Range contains
   column labels"
   6. Select "No duplication"
   7. Click OK.
   8. Done




>
>
> users-digest-h...@openoffice.org wrote:
> > users Digest 8 Sep 2009 20:16:44 -0000 Issue 7160
> >
> > Topics (messages 201485 through 201514):
> >
> > Re: formula in Calc
> >       201485 by: Brian Barker
> >       201488 by: Walter Hildebrandt
> >
> > Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> >       201486 by: Cor Nouws
> >       201492 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201493 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201498 by: M Henri Day
> >       201499 by: NoOp
> >       201501 by: M Henri Day
> >       201502 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201506 by: Per
> >       201510 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201513 by: Per
> >
> > Re: Missing Writer Ch 12
> >       201487 by: Andy
> >
> > Reverse numbering?
> >       201489 by: L Duperval
> >
> > ooauthors on Gmane?
> >       201490 by: L Duperval
> >
> > page numbering in PDF exported document
> >       201491 by: SonrisaLisa
> >       201494 by: Gene Young
> >       201495 by: SonrisaLisa
> >
> > Re: Spreadsheet update automation
> >       201496 by: James E. Lang
> >       201500 by: Johnny Rosenberg
> >
> > [Solved] expanding one record into many in calc
> >       201497 by: Jonathan Kaye
> >
> > UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >       201503 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201505 by: M Henri Day
> >       201507 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201508 by: John Boyle
> >       201509 by: Lars Nooden
> >       201511 by: Per
> >       201514 by: Lars Nooden
> >
> > Re: Installing Font
> >       201504 by: Mark Miller
> >
> > UI Work - Calc - Engineering notation
> >       201512 by: Lars Nooden
> >
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> >
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] formula in Calc
> > From:
> > Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com>
> > Date:
> > Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:38:44 +0100
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > At 08:13 07/09/2009 -0600, Walter Hildebrandt wrote:
> >> The following formula works to give a Yes or a No in C1
> >>
> >> IF(AND(A1>=0;B1>=0);"Yes";"No")
> >>
> >> How can that formula be increased so that not only A1 and B1 is used
> >> but that C1, D1 and E1 be included
> >>
> >> In other words, what formula can be used when A1>=0 and B1>=0, and
> >> C1>=0 and D1>=0 and E1>=0 so that Yes or No appears in F1
> >
> > The AND() function accepts up to thirty arguments, so - as has already
> > been suggested - you can just add more conditions as required:
> >   =IF(AND(A1>=0;B1>=0;C1>=0;D1>=0;E1>=0);"Yes";"No")
> >
> > I trust this helps.
> >
> > Brian Barker
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Formula in Calc
> > From:
> > Walter Hildebrandt <wh2...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:59:49 -0600
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Yes I was confused.  I am still confused about some of the formulas I am
> > using but enough for now.  Thank you for all the help.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Brian Barker <b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> At 08:49 07/09/2009 -0600, Walter Hildebrandt wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sorry that I was not clear in my question.  *I do not care if any of
> the
> >>> cells are empty.  I only want to determine if all the cells (A1 B1, C1
> D1
> >>> and F1) are equal to 0 (zero) or are greater than 0, then F1 will be
> Yes. If
> >>> any of the cells are a negative number then F1 will be No*
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Brian Barker <
> b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>  At 09:39 23/08/2009 -0600, Walter Hildebrandt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  Is there a formula that will do the following?
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1  If A1 is empty, Emt appears in C1
> >>>>> 2  If A1 is a negative number, Neg appears in C1
> >>>>> 3  If A1 has a 0 (a zero), Zero appears in C1
> >>>>> 4  If 1, 2, and 3, above, do not exist then C1 is the percentage by
> >>>>> which A1 is greater then B1
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Try:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> =IF(ISBLANK(A1);"empty";IF(A1<0;"negative";IF(A1=0;"zero";(A1-B1)/B1*100)))
> >>>>
> >>>> I trust this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian Barker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> You'll have to excuse my giggling!  You posted a question earlier.  But
> >> then you apparently found a fifteen-day-old reply from me to a quite
> >> different question you had also posed, and have now interpreted this as
> a
> >> surprisingly prescient reply to your current question.  Perhaps you were
> >> confused by the fact that you gave the two questions almost identical
> >> subjects?
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Barker
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Cor Nouws <oo...@nouenoff.nl>
> > Date:
> > Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:31:23 +0200
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Mathias Bauer wrote (6-9-2009 22:58)
> >
> >> Thanks, finally someone understood what I meant. [...]
> >
> > Well, I guess it's not that bad. There must be some, ehh, much more
> > who understand ;-)
> >
> > Cor
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:53:46 +0300
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Cor Nouws wrote:
> >
> >> Lars Nooden wrote (7-9-2009 10:01)
> >>
> >>> If it looks like duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
> >>>
> >> To make it easier for you, to see a bit of the latest prototype (0.16),
> >> a Dutch journalist was so friendly to publish this:
> >>
> http://webwereld.nl/gallery/63487/openoffice-kiest-ribbon-combinatie--foto-s-.html
> >>
> >
> > Not so friendly.  It's "the ribbon" all over again.
> >
> > UI work is needed, we know that without the survey.
> > However, specifics are needed and this Microsoft-style
> > solution-in-search-of-a-problem is bullshit.  (Poo on your virgin ears)
> >  The survey points to no specifics:
> >
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoUserSurvey2009_Final.ods
> >
> > In fact, there seems to be general satisfaction with the product and its
> > components.  How about a survey asking what is missing or what could be
> > improved.
> >
> > "the ribbon" by any other name is still a failed attempt at contextual
> > menus.  Even assuming deIcaza shares some of the magic M$ pixie dust and
> > we all become so stoned, stupid or soporiphic that everything seems fine
> > with contextual menus, where will the processing cycles come from?  OOo,
> > IMHO, is not slow but it sure is not fast.  User experience could be
> > very much improved by removing or reducing the latency.
> >
> > There have been *lots* of suggestions over the years, especially in
> > regards to performance.  Adding slow stuff will not make OOo faster.
> >
> > Regards
> > -Lars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:00:10 +0300
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > M Henri Day wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I should have nothing against an updating to the OOo GUI, but I can't
> help
> >> thinking that it's what's under the hood that is most important. Still,
> we -
> >> the developers - do have to keep in mind that new users to OOo are often
> >> going to have a background in MS Office 2007 and later, rather than in
> >> versions 1997 -2003....
> >>
> >
> > Oh bullshit again.  Just because a small cluster of deIcaza types wants
> > OOo to stop UI work, turn around and spend effort copying MSO simply
> > because it's MSO, doesn't mean we should.  Copying is stupid.  Copying
> > failure is more stupid.  M$ has virtually made a trademark of suckitude.
> > Don't go the route of trademark infringement.
> >
> > Quick quiz:
> >
> >       Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >
> >       a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >          aspect of MSO
> >
> >       b) providing a good productivity suite
> >
> > Updating the UI is very good idea.  Updating without specific goals is a
> > waste of resources.  Updating it to copy a failure is not very nice to
> > those who wish to use OOo.
> >
> > If the ideal is more general, improvement of the "User Experience", then
> > it may not be UI work that is needed so much as streamlining and
> > modularization.  Faster program ==  more ( enjoyable && productive ).
> >
> > Regards
> > -Lars
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > M Henri Day <mhenri...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:04:45 +0200
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > 2009/9/8 Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >
> >
> >> M Henri Day wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I should have nothing against an updating to the OOo GUI, but I can't
> >>>
> >> help
> >>
> >>> thinking that it's what's under the hood that is most important. Still,
> >>>
> >> we -
> >>
> >>> the developers - do have to keep in mind that new users to OOo are
> often
> >>> going to have a background in MS Office 2007 and later, rather than in
> >>> versions 1997 -2003....
> >>>
> >> Oh bullshit again.  Just because a small cluster of deIcaza types wants
> >> OOo to stop UI work, turn around and spend effort copying MSO simply
> >> because it's MSO, doesn't mean we should.  Copying is stupid.  Copying
> >> failure is more stupid.  M$ has virtually made a trademark of suckitude.
> >> Don't go the route of trademark infringement.
> >>
> >> Quick quiz:
> >>
> >>        Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >>
> >>        a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >>           aspect of MSO
> >>
> >>        b) providing a good productivity suite
> >>
> >> Updating the UI is very good idea.  Updating without specific goals is a
> >> waste of resources.  Updating it to copy a failure is not very nice to
> >> those who wish to use OOo.
> >>
> >> If the ideal is more general, improvement of the "User Experience", then
> >> it may not be UI work that is needed so much as streamlining and
> >> modularization.  Faster program ==  more ( enjoyable && productive ).
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Lars, before characterising your fellow users' posting as «bullshit»,
> you
> > might want to consider reading them more carefully. Nowhere in my post
> above
> > do I suggest that the MS «ribbon» or other elements of their GUI should
> be
> > copied - as I point out, it's what's under the hood - which to me, at
> least,
> > includes such matters as the streamlining and modularisation you mention
> -
> > that matters. When I read your statement to the effect that «Faster
> program
> > ==  more ( enjoyable && productive )», the impression I get is that we,
> in
> > fact, are in substantial agreement. At the same time, given MS's present
> > dominance of the field, we are going to have to take into account that
> many
> > who will be considering whether or not to install OOo will have an MS
> Office
> > background, a fact which should have consequences for the design of the
> > former. You seem to have interpreted this as a suggestion that OOo
> «copy»
> > MSO, but that was not at all my point, which was rather that we have to
> > offer a *better*, more user-friendly alternative then the legacy maker,
> in
> > which such aspects as speed and simplicity of use certainly play an
> > important role. Again, from what you write, you seem to agree with this.
> > These are, of course, the goals of any update - but to make them
> operational
> > we must, as you point out, make them specific. Let us then discuss these
> > specifics, instead of dismissing - and indeed, misrepresenting - others'
> > opinions as «[u]pdating [OOo] to copy a failure». I, for one, would
> like to
> > be able to change the language I'm inputting directly from the toolbar,
> > instead of having to go via a menu. Perhaps if we confine ourselves to
> > discussing such concrete matters, we'll not need to refer to each other
> in a
> > manner which tends to wake opposition rather than cooperation....
> >
> > Henri
> >
> > PS : Thanks for the remark about «delcaza types» - uninitiated as I am,
> I'm
> > not sure I follow, but I choose to take it as a compliment !...
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:35:00 -0700
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > On 09/08/2009 09:04 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >> PS : Thanks for the remark about «delcaza types» - uninitiated as I
> am, I'm
> >> not sure I follow, but I choose to take it as a compliment !...
> >>
> >>
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza
> >
> > Gnome rocks! :-)
> >
> > I suppose that Lars may have been referring to the Mono project? KDE/QT,
> > Gnome/Mono, etc., but that's another thread for another list.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > M Henri Day <mhenri...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:45:10 +0200
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > 2009/9/8 NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >
> >> On 09/08/2009 09:04 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> PS : Thanks for the remark about «delcaza types» - uninitiated as I
> am,
> >>>
> >> I'm
> >>
> >>> not sure I follow, but I choose to take it as a compliment !...
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza
> >>
> >> Gnome rocks! :-)
> >>
> >> I suppose that Lars may have been referring to the Mono project? KDE/QT,
> >> Gnome/Mono, etc., but that's another thread for another list.
> >>
> >
> >
> > For this relief much thanks, Gary ! What a difference a space makes - and
> > the distinction between an «l» and an «I» ! I, too, like Gnome....
> >
> > Henri
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:29:26 +0300
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > There is no profit in copying failure. I, for one, moved to OOo after
> > testing all the alternatives I could get hold of for spreadsheets and
> > word processors.  Even though I was used to MSO, it sucked donkey balls
> > so badly that a change was needed in order to stay productive with
> > reports and calculations.  I'm glad to have left.  I'm not glad for
> > idiotic yammering that there is recently some kind of obligation to
> > begin copying that crap.
> >
> > If you want to make progress on the OOo UI, then find some specifics to
> > work on.
> >
> > It has already been mentioned that full mouseless operation is needed
> > for the word processor and spreadsheet.  That's one of the reasons you
> > still find WordPerfect word processor floating around.  Professional
> > typists can use it quickly.
> >
> >  + For the spreadsheet, that's a more mature tool and there are still
> > characteristics and conventions that are legacies from Visicalc.
> >
> >  + For the presentation graphics, Keynote is very relevant.  I used the
> > presentation graphics extensively for 2.5 years.  It does what I needed,
> > but there are many things that can be fixed, especially in slide sorting
> > and managing templates.  None of that can be address by finding new
> > combinations of words to create the semantic equivalent of 'copying "the
> > ribbon"'
> >
> > The survey really says almost nothing about what needs work.  You'll
> > notice that most of the questions were actually left unanswered.  That
> > goes especially for the
> >
> >  - equation editor
> >  - draw
> >  - base
> >  - chart
> >
> > For those, a negligible amount of answers were turned in.  Some aspects
> > of these may be under-marketed.  Or there may be showstoppers that turn
> > people off.
> >
> > What will not work is the Microsoft-style solution -in -search -of -a
> > -problem approach, especially the deIcaza sub-style where the apparent
> > goal is copying crap with religious vigor.
> >
> > Regards
> > -Lars
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Per <perj...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:07:49 +0200
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > This is going to be in Swedish...
> >
> > Lars... är du den Lars som är namngiven som kontaktperson på den
> > svenska delen av den Office-svit som vi använder...
> >
> > På den sidan så har e:et en fnutt över sig..
> >
> > Det finns även e-post i denna lista från Lars och där är det även en
> > fnutt över e:et....
> >
> > Hur som haver...
> >
> > Jag tycker i alla fall det är en väldigt massa hårda ord och med alla
> > dessa hårda ord ... bullshit-ande hit och dit och all annan bullshit
> > som skrivs i upprörda? arga? förbannade? eller bara uppgivna svar och
> > inlägg......
> >
> >
> > netiquette ??? vart tog det vägen ???
> >
> >
> > My few cents....
> >
> >
> > // Per
> >
> >
> >
> > Lars Nooden skrev:
> >> There is no profit in copying failure. I, for one, moved to OOo after
> >> testing all the alternatives I could get hold of for spreadsheets and
> >> word processors.  Even though I was used to MSO, it sucked donkey balls
> >> so badly that a change was needed in order to stay productive with
> >> reports and calculations.  I'm glad to have left.  I'm not glad for
> >> idiotic yammering that there is recently some kind of obligation to
> >> begin copying that crap.
> >>
> >> If you want to make progress on the OOo UI, then find some specifics to
> >> work on.
> >>
> >> It has already been mentioned that full mouseless operation is needed
> >> for the word processor and spreadsheet.  That's one of the reasons you
> >> still find WordPerfect word processor floating around.  Professional
> >> typists can use it quickly.
> >>
> >>  + For the spreadsheet, that's a more mature tool and there are still
> >> characteristics and conventions that are legacies from Visicalc.
> >>
> >>  + For the presentation graphics, Keynote is very relevant.  I used the
> >> presentation graphics extensively for 2.5 years.  It does what I needed,
> >> but there are many things that can be fixed, especially in slide sorting
> >> and managing templates.  None of that can be address by finding new
> >> combinations of words to create the semantic equivalent of 'copying "the
> >> ribbon"'
> >>
> >> The survey really says almost nothing about what needs work.  You'll
> >> notice that most of the questions were actually left unanswered.  That
> >> goes especially for the
> >>
> >>  - equation editor
> >>  - draw
> >>  - base
> >>  - chart
> >>
> >> For those, a negligible amount of answers were turned in.  Some aspects
> >> of these may be under-marketed.  Or there may be showstoppers that turn
> >> people off.
> >>
> >> What will not work is the Microsoft-style solution -in -search -of -a
> >> -problem approach, especially the deIcaza sub-style where the apparent
> >> goal is copying crap with religious vigor.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:50:03 +0300
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Per wrote:
> >
> >
> >> netiquette ??? vart tog det vägen ???
> >>
> >
> > I have long been an advocate of netiquette.  And I have grown up in a
> > region, as well as community, where kids could and did get their mouths
> > washed out with soap.  My mouth remained soap-free FWIW.
> >
> > The bullshit (1) won't stop as long as people who know better either
> > acquiesce, fold, back-down or simply hold quiet when they should speak
> > up.  Enough is enough, however.  It needs to be called for what it is.
> > If it hurts, or you actually wish to copy failed products, then tough,
> > fork the code and go somewhere else.
> >
> > Politeness and naivite have been exploited for a long time. Yes,
> > politeness is best, but let's stop these dickwhacks from walking all
> > over the best FOSS projects.
> >
> > -Lars
> >
> > (1)   for example:
> >       http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/tag/miguel-de-icaza/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Re: UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)
> > From:
> > Per <perj...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:02:39 +0200
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lars Nooden skrev:
> >> Per wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> netiquette ??? vart tog det vägen ???
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have long been an advocate of netiquette.  And I have grown up in a
> >> region, as well as community, where kids could and did get their mouths
> >> washed out with soap.  My mouth remained soap-free FWIW.
> >>
> >> The bullshit (1) won't stop as long as people who know better either
> >> acquiesce, fold, back-down or simply hold quiet when they should speak
> >> up.  Enough is enough, however.  It needs to be called for what it is.
> >> If it hurts, or you actually wish to copy failed products, then tough,
> >> fork the code and go somewhere else.
> >>
> >
> > *Yepp, I have to think over it, but maybe I should do it.... go
> > somewhere else..... *
> >
> >
> >> Politeness and naivite have been exploited for a long time. Yes,
> >> politeness is best, but let's stop these dickwhacks from walking all
> >> over the best FOSS projects.
> >>
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >> (1)    for example:
> >>     http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/tag/miguel-de-icaza/
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Missing Writer Ch 12
> > From:
> > Andy <a...@the-martin-byrd.net>
> > Date:
> > Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:53:18 -0700
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > James Knott wrote:
> >> I've noticed on the documentation site, that Writer chapter 12 is
> >> missing.  I sent a note to the admin a while ago, but no response.  The
> >> link for the missing chapter is:
> >>
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/0212WG3-TablesOfContentsIndexesBibilographies.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >
> > For everyones info.
> > Seems there was a typo, that is being corrected.  The correct link is
> >
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/0212WG3-TablesOfContentsIndexesBibliographies.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Reverse numbering?
> > From:
> > L Duperval <lduper...@yahoo.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:32:24 +0000 (UTC)
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is it possible to have reverse numbering? That is, to start a list at N
> > and the next item is (N-1)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > ooauthors on Gmane?
> > From:
> > L Duperval <lduper...@yahoo.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:42:22 +0000 (UTC)
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know if the ooauthors list is available on gmane or on
> > another mail to news gateway?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > [users] page numbering in PDF exported document
> > From:
> > SonrisaLisa <vida.nueva.l...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:55:25 -0700 (PDT)
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > I worked very hard to figure out how to change the styles so that my
> first 5
> > pages (cover, table of contents etc.) of my book are not numbered. Now
> when
> > I export it in PDF the table of contents does not match the way the pages
> > are numbered in the PDF viewer. It calls page 1-  page 6.
> >
> > Can I change the way the PDF export is done or is there some way to
> change
> > its starting page numbering?
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] page numbering in PDF exported document
> > From:
> > Gene Young <n2...@cfl.rr.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:22:14 -0400
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > SonrisaLisa wrote:
> >> I worked very hard to figure out how to change the styles so that my
> >> first 5
> >> pages (cover, table of contents etc.) of my book are not numbered.
> >> Now when
> >> I export it in PDF the table of contents does not match the way the
> >> pages
> >> are numbered in the PDF viewer. It calls page 1-  page 6.
> >>
> >> Can I change the way the PDF export is done or is there some way to
> >> change
> >> its starting page numbering?
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> > The page numbers you see in a PDF viewer are the literal pages.
> > The pages you have numbered as you want are still numbered the way you
> > numbered them.  The PDF viewer has no way of knowing how you numbered
> > your pages so it can only count the number of pages in the document
> > and number them sequentially, starting at one.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] page numbering in PDF exported document
> > From:
> > SonrisaLisa <vida.nueva.l...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Gene. You have saved me lots of time hunting around for how to
> fix
> > this. I just have to change my numbers to match what the viewer reads.
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> > Gene Young wrote:
> >
> >> SonrisaLisa wrote:
> >>
> >>> I worked very hard to figure out how to change the styles so that my
> >>> first 5
> >>> pages (cover, table of contents etc.) of my book are not numbered. Now
> >>> when
> >>> I export it in PDF the table of contents does not match the way the
> pages
> >>> are numbered in the PDF viewer. It calls page 1-  page 6.
> >>>
> >>> Can I change the way the PDF export is done or is there some way to
> >>> change
> >>> its starting page numbering?
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The page numbers you see in a PDF viewer are the literal pages.
> >> The pages you have numbered as you want are still numbered the way you
> >> numbered them.  The PDF viewer has no way of knowing how you numbered
> >> your pages so it can only count the number of pages in the document and
> >> number them sequentially, starting at one.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gene Y.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Spreadsheet update automation
> > From:
> > "James E. Lang" <j...@lang.hm>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:12:46 -0700
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> > To:
> > users@openoffice.org
> >
> >
> > I take it that no one here knows how to automate spreadsheet updates
> > and no one knows a better forum to ask.
> >
> > If you need me to, I'll send you a personal copy of my original post.
> >
> > --On Thursday, September 03, 2009 06:58:40 PM -0700 I wrote at length
> > on this subject
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [users] Spreadsheet update automation
> > From:
> > Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knu...@gmail.com>
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:41:07 +0200
> > To:
> > OOo Användarforum <users@openoffice.org>
> >
> > To:
> > OOo Användarforum <users@openoffice.org>
> >
> >
> > Maybe you could try the developer's mail list? I think it is
> > d...@openoffice.org or something like that.
> >
> > J.R.
> >
> > 2009/9/8 James E. Lang <j...@lang.hm>:
> >
> >> I take it that no one here knows how to automate spreadsheet updates and
> no
> >> one knows a better forum to ask.
> >>
> >> If you need me to, I'll send you a personal copy of my original post.
> >>
> >> --On Thursday, September 03, 2009 06:58:40 PM -0700 I wrote at length on
> >> this subject
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> [Solved] expanding one record into many in calc
> >> From:
> >> Jonathan Kaye <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:24:11 +0200
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Harold Fuchs wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Not using a Calc macro. If it were me I'd export the sheet as a CSV
> file,
> >>> write a Perl script to generate a new [correctly formatted] CSV file
> and
> >>> import that into a new sheet. I doubt a suitable Perl script would be
> more
> >>> than about 10 lines of *un*obfuscated code.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Hi Harold,
> >> I tried it out using Unicon on the csv file. I used ISO 8859-15 encoding
> >> which took care of the kinkier characters. It's a bit more than 10 lines
> but
> >> when you take out the i/o stuff and the pretty formatting for ease of
> >> reading it comes to about that. I had to use "=" as a field delimiter
> since
> >> commas are crucial to splitting the records. The unary "\" operator is a
> >> test for non-nullness. Here's the code:
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> procedure main()
> >>      datadir := "/home/jdkaye/MYPROGS/Data/"
> >>      outdir := "/home/jdkaye/MYPROGS/Output/"
> >>      intext := open(datadir || "8_sept_sample3.csv") | stop("can't open
> data
> >> file")
> >>      outtext := open(outdir || "8_sept_sample3_fixed.csv", "w") |
> stop("can't
> >> open output file")
> >>      while entry := read(intext) do {
> >>              entry ? if ((gloss := tab(upto('='))) & rem := tab(0)) then
> {
> >>                        if gloss == "" then
> >>                          next
> >>                        while \find(",", gloss) do {
> >>                            gloss ? if ((gl := tab(upto(','))) & move(1)
> &
> >> nrem := tab(0)) then {
> >>                            write(outtext, gl, rem)
> >>                            gloss := nrem
> >>                            }
> >>                        }
> >>              }
> >>      write(outtext, gloss, rem)
> >>      }
> >> end
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Not too bad, eh? Thanks for the tip.
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:29:29 +0300
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Nice dodge, Henri.  If you have only the unlucky misfortune to appear
> >> accidently as deIcaza types intent on floundering the UI, then that is
> >> unfortunate.
> >>
> >> Let's check if there is any commmon ground:
> >>
> >> Quick quiz:
> >>
> >>         Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >>
> >>         a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >>           aspect of MSO
> >>
> >>         b) providing a good productivity suite
> >>
> >>
> >>      c) other - elaborat
> >>
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> M Henri Day <mhenri...@gmail.com>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:50:05 +0200
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/9/8 Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Nice dodge, Henri.  If you have only the unlucky misfortune to appear
> >>> accidently as deIcaza types intent on floundering the UI, then that is
> >>> unfortunate.
> >>>
> >>> Let's check if there is any commmon ground:
> >>>
> >>> Quick quiz:
> >>>
> >>>        Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >>>
> >>>        a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >>>          aspect of MSO
> >>>
> >>>        b) providing a good productivity suite
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>        c) other - elaborat
> >>>
> >>>  -Lars
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> But Lars, I've answered your query in the posting to which the former
> was a
> >> reply - why then waste time by asking ? «MS love-in» is hardly my
> style, as
> >> I'm sure the retirees here in Stockholm to whom I am constantly
> suggesting
> >> alternatives would be willing to testify. My only interest is in
> >> contributing what little I can to making OOo a quicker, more productive,
> and
> >> more user-friendly office suite ; for example, I'd be happy to
> contribute to
> >> getting the Swedish version of OOo 3.1.1 up and running, in the event
> >> someone like myself who lacks a programming background can be here be of
> >> aid....
> >>
> >> Henri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:20:19 +0300
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> M Henri Day wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... «MS love-in» is hardly my style, as
> >>> I'm sure the retirees here in Stockholm to whom I am constantly
> suggesting
> >>> alternatives would be willing to testify...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well they can testify on paper.  100 SEK notes will do just fine as
> >> stationary, their nice and light colored and give good contrast when
> >> used with a pencil.  When you have a shoebox full, we can talk further
> >> on the topic.
> >>
> >> Until then you're in perfect position to gather input about how to
> >> streamline the existing interface.
> >>
> >>  Which components do they use most and for which tasks?
> >>
> >>  Which function?
> >>
> >>  What works best or is most appreciated?
> >>
> >>  What is confusing?
> >>
> >>  Which behaviors or menus most match expectations?
> >>
> >>  Which behaviors or menus most deviate from expectations?
> >>
> >> You'll get some weird stuff, but some of it will be useful.  It's been a
> >> few years since I've had a chance to do anything like that.  I have
> >> found that some people call all word processors "Word" even if they used
> >> AppleWorks, OOo and WordPerfect but not actually MS Word.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> John Boyle <jbo...@harbornet.com>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:23:16 -0700
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Lars Nooden wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nice dodge, Henri.  If you have only the unlucky misfortune to appear
> >>> accidently as deIcaza types intent on floundering the UI, then that is
> >>> unfortunate.
> >>>
> >>> Let's check if there is any commmon ground:
> >>>
> >>> Quick quiz:
> >>>
> >>>         Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >>>
> >>>         a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >>>           aspect of MSO
> >>>
> >>>         b) providing a good productivity suite
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     c) other - elaborat
> >>>
> >>> -Lars
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> To ALL: I echo Lars concerns, and wish that the developers would
> >> concentrate on eliminating ALL the Bugs, errors and other problems with
> >> what is NOW in existence, AND NEVER COPY ANYTHING FROM MSFT, AS THAT
> >> WILL DESTROY OOo completely!!! I now have OOo ver.3.1 and do not plan on
> >> EVER upgrading, as, to make it plain, unless I get full mastery of what
> >> I have now! What I CANNOT understand is WHY this constant and continual
> >> upgrade, upgrade, when all that is needed is simple changes to improve
> >> what is NOW a BASICALLY sound program! The Real Reason that MSFT
> >> continues to have the majority of the market is very simple, THEY GOT
> >> THERE FIRST AND MADE THEIR PRODUCT WITH THE IDEA OF LOCKING PEOPLE IN TO
> >> THEIR LINE, REGARDLESS! I have tried WordStar, which I thought was
> >> pretty good, but they had let it fade away by not making corrections in
> >> what they had, nor would they adapt it to fit the other major lock-in
> >> that MSFT had, WINDOWS! So, I went to WordPerfect, but then they decided
> >> to try to molly-coddle and befriend MSFT instead of paying attention to
> >> perfecting what they had! Marketing is the ONLY thing that MSFT does
> >> well, that and thievery of other people's ideas!Oh, that's right, not
> >> thievery, muscle them into submission is more like it!
> >> There was a company or group working on another clone or modification of
> >> Windows, but so far they are not a viable alternative to WINDOWS! The
> >> company that really let everyone down was IBM, with their abandining of
> >> Both OS/2 and VIA VOICE FOR LINUX! In fact, IBM cannot seem to learn how
> >> to market and to hang on to their market, no matter what!
> >> The ONLY real alternative to WINDOWS is Linux, but I can tell you they
> >> will never overcome MSFT with all the different "distro's" cutting each
> >> other's throats and then cutting their own, by constant upgrade, upgrade
> >> and then more upgrade!
> >> Bottom line, there are people who are still using DOS and Windows 3.1
> >> and do NOT bother with the Internet! Change is fine when it really is
> >> necessary, but change for change sake is a total WASTE !!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:46:59 +0300
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> John Boyle wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> ... What I CANNOT understand is WHY this constant and continual
> >>> upgrade, upgrade, when all that is needed is simple changes to improve
> >>> what is NOW a BASICALLY sound program!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, I went to WordPerfect, but ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> WordPerfect also lost to bundling.  You could buy WP for $199 and
> >> Quattro for an additional $199 or MS Word plus Excel for the same price.
> >>
> >>
> >>> .... Marketing is the ONLY thing that MSFT does well,
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bzzt.  Thanks for playing.  Marketing and lobbying are outsourced.
> >>
> >>
> >>> ... that and thievery of other people's ideas!Oh, that's right, not
> >>> thievery, muscle them into submission is more like it!
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's been documented again and again.  The courts, the police and even
> >> the military have failed to effect action.
> >>
> >>
> >>> There was a company or group working on another clone or modification
> of
> >>> Windows, but so far they are not a viable alternative to WINDOWS!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Windows was a copy of GEM, Desqview and Macintosh.  NeXT was several
> >> decades ahead.
> >>
> >>
> >>> ... abandining of Both OS/2
> >>>
> >>
> >> MS apparently owns part of OS / 2, having co-developed it, so unless
> >> their part of the code is removed and re-written , OS/2 is dependent on
> >> its main competitor.  MS was also contracted to make applications for OS
> >> / 2 and pulled out to work on NT, but apparently notified IBM only just
> >> before ship date...
> >>
> >>
> >>> The ONLY real alternative to WINDOWS is Linux ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Or OS X or Solaris or FreeBSD, etc.  The OEMs, if left alone could
> >> choose what they want.  If anyone wants to counter about how hard the
> >> non-linux or non-OS X alternatives are, they are cordially invited to
> >> STFU.  OEMs set up a disk image and then clone it.  Installation is
> >> never an issue for the end user.
> >>
> >>
> >>> will never overcome MSFT with all the different "distro's" cutting each
> >>> other's throats and then cutting their own, by constant upgrade,
> upgrade
> >>> and then more upgrade!
> >>>
> >>
> >> The only distro throat cutting is by Novell, of its own throat.
> >>
> >> Any distro can be made to look like any other.  Pre-installation on
> >> off-the-shelf models is what's lacking -- still.
> >>
> >> John, you've had a long rant.  Now what specifically in the current OOo
> >> UI or application needs fixing according to you?
> >>
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> Per <perj...@gmail.com>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:56:59 +0200
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> " Marketing is the ONLY thing that MSFT does well,...."
> >>
> >> If OO.o IS SO OUTSTANDING, why doesn´t everyone using it??... I
> >> mean... what better marketing-trix is an totally free, Office-app!!
> >>
> >> Is it not good enough??
> >> Is it lack of marketing OO.o ???
> >> Don´t people know about OO.o?
> >> Can´t they handle it?
> >>
> >> I don´t know, but I hope that more computer users will find OO.o.
> >>
> >> How can we get people to use OO.o?? By spreading the speach of the
> >> excellent office-suite and a give when needed helping hand...
> >>
> >> Here in Sweden there was an period that people could "rent" a
> >> computer from their job, there was a payoff of 36 months and then you
> >> could pay a little sum to get the computer. In these machines there
> >> was WIN XP and MS Office and sometimes even MS Works was installed
> >> (as a bonus?? )
> >>
> >> It´s hard to talk people into an other track and to get them to use
> >> an other Officesuite... why should they change ?? They already got MS
> >> Office... !! A familiar Office suite they are used to...
> >> So OO.o must be a KILLER APP, making the users of MS Office willing
> >> to change...  But I think that there must be a some sort like-ness to
> >> MSO, ´cause it will make a quick change of office suites no fuzz and
> >> "grey hair". People NOT USED to OO.o must easily find what they are
> >> used to in there MS Office suite.
> >>
> >> Maybe I´m wrong.... maybe I´m right, but anyway... having a 3 World
> >> War against or not against ribbons, will probably not give OO.o more
> >> users....
> >>
> >>
> >> I´m using both MSO and OO.o... They both have their weaknesses and so
> >> on...
> >>
> >> I also having a dual boot with Ubuntu and Win XP...
> >> I like the free alternatives, cause they not looked in to different
> >> formats etc. and I like to learn something new, like Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> I´m moving more and more from MS products into Ubuntu-world.
> >>
> >>
> >> And finally, a link...   http://www.lulu.com/content/4964815
> >>
> >> Here you can download a PDF file....
> >>
> >> /Keith Curtis, an 11-year veteran of Microsoft, takes a programmer's
> >> approach in "Software Wars," attempting to systematically build a
> >> case that free software can help pave the way for a 21st-century
> >> renaissance in many fields ranging from artificial intelligence (cars
> >> that drive themselves) to the human journey into space (space
> >> elevators). For Mr. Curtis, free software is all about leveraging our
> >> collective intelligence."/
> >>
> >> Interesting reading.
> >>
> >> /hope you could read my stumbelin english..  ;-) /
> >>
> >>
> >> // Per
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John Boyle skrev:
> >>> Lars Nooden wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nice dodge, Henri.  If you have only the unlucky misfortune to appear
> >>>> accidently as deIcaza types intent on floundering the UI, then that is
> >>>> unfortunate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's check if there is any commmon ground:
> >>>>
> >>>> Quick quiz:
> >>>>
> >>>>         Q: What is the goal of OOo?
> >>>>
> >>>>         a) a deIcaza-style M$ love-in, dutifully copying every
> >>>>           aspect of MSO
> >>>>
> >>>>         b) providing a good productivity suite
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     c) other - elaborat
> >>>>
> >>>> -Lars
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> To ALL: I echo Lars concerns, and wish that the developers would
> >>> concentrate on eliminating ALL the Bugs, errors and other problems with
> >>> what is NOW in existence, AND NEVER COPY ANYTHING FROM MSFT, AS THAT
> >>> WILL DESTROY OOo completely!!! I now have OOo ver.3.1 and do not
> >>> plan on
> >>> EVER upgrading, as, to make it plain, unless I get full mastery of what
> >>> I have now! What I CANNOT understand is WHY this constant and continual
> >>> upgrade, upgrade, when all that is needed is simple changes to improve
> >>> what is NOW a BASICALLY sound program! The Real Reason that MSFT
> >>> continues to have the majority of the market is very simple, THEY GOT
> >>> THERE FIRST AND MADE THEIR PRODUCT WITH THE IDEA OF LOCKING PEOPLE
> >>> IN TO
> >>> THEIR LINE, REGARDLESS! I have tried WordStar, which I thought was
> >>> pretty good, but they had let it fade away by not making corrections in
> >>> what they had, nor would they adapt it to fit the other major lock-in
> >>> that MSFT had, WINDOWS! So, I went to WordPerfect, but then they
> >>> decided
> >>> to try to molly-coddle and befriend MSFT instead of paying attention to
> >>> perfecting what they had! Marketing is the ONLY thing that MSFT does
> >>> well, that and thievery of other people's ideas!Oh, that's right, not
> >>> thievery, muscle them into submission is more like it!
> >>> There was a company or group working on another clone or
> >>> modification of
> >>> Windows, but so far they are not a viable alternative to WINDOWS! The
> >>> company that really let everyone down was IBM, with their abandining of
> >>> Both OS/2 and VIA VOICE FOR LINUX! In fact, IBM cannot seem to learn
> >>> how
> >>> to market and to hang on to their market, no matter what!
> >>> The ONLY real alternative to WINDOWS is Linux, but I can tell you they
> >>> will never overcome MSFT with all the different "distro's" cutting each
> >>> other's throats and then cutting their own, by constant upgrade,
> >>> upgrade
> >>> and then more upgrade!
> >>> Bottom line, there are people who are still using DOS and Windows 3.1
> >>> and do NOT bother with the Internet! Change is fine when it really is
> >>> necessary, but change for change sake is a total WASTE !!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] UI Goals (Re: UI work)
> >> From:
> >> Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:16:38 +0300
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Per wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> /Keith Curtis, an 11-year veteran of Microsoft
> >>>
> >>
> >> Microsofters appear to be all bullshitters and charlatans (1) and look
> >> thoroughly unqualified to speak on any ICT topic.  Find anything they've
> >> done and chances are you'll find it was developed 10-20 years earlier
> >> and in use in business for at least half that.  The only thing worth
> >> reading from a Microsofter might be a length apology accompanying
> >> remuneration for damages to $NAME_OF_COUNTRY.
> >>
> >> We don't have to pretend any more that these people either know what
> >> they are doing (techology-wise) or are out to help anyone.
> >>
> >> Addressing your question, Per, why should folks change to OOo?  You have
> >> a good point.  And on the topic of Project Renaissance, "the ribbon" is
> >> one reason to change to OOo.  The current incarnation of OOo requires
> >> negligible training for new users coming from other suites.  Whereas the
> >> "the ribbon" is a royal PITA and reduces productivity even after one
> >> acclimates:
> >>
> >>  http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2006/02/microsoft_offic.html
> >>
> >> Remember, individuals acclimate to anything.  In contrast, businesses
> >> and institutions collapse when dipping below a minimal productivity.
> >> A decrease in productivity can tip border cases into bankruptcy.
> >>
> >> -Lars
> >>
> >> (1)  "They bought DOS, they bought Windows -they stole
> >>      Windows, excuse me; they bought PowerPoint, they bought
> >>      Word, Excel, they bought WebTV, they bought their
> >>      browser technology, they bought Hotmail, they bought a
> >>      billion dollars of Comcast: they
> >>      bought, they bought, they bought. What have they
> >>      innovated? Goose egg.
> >>      Now just let’s make this innovative company innovative
> >>      for the next five years without buying anything. That
> >>      would be the simplest remedy."
> >>      -- Scott McNealy, CEO Sun MicroSystems
> >>  http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/03/21/interview_with_scott_mcnealy/
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Re: [users] Re: Installing Font
> >> From:
> >> Mark Miller <mr.mcmil...@gmail.com>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:38:56 -0400
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm developing a simple multiple choice test.  Each test item has four
> >> options.  I'm just using the tab key to indent each option.
> >>
> >> When I tab in "a" and "b" everything works as it should.
> >>
> >> When I tab in "c", it reverts to flush left when I put in the hard
> return.
> >>
> >> When I tab in "D", it reverts to flush left when I put in the hard
> return
> >>
> >> All items are identical  a letter (a,b,c, and d), the text on a single
> line,
> >> and a hard return at the end of the text.
> >>
> >> Why would I keep getting set back to flush left on the third and forth
> >> lines?
> >>
> >> tnx
> >>
> >> mcm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> UI Work - Calc - Engineering notation
> >> From:
> >> Lars Nooden <larsnoo...@openoffice.org>
> >> Date:
> >> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:57:39 +0300
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >> To:
> >> users@openoffice.org
> >>
> >>
> >> The Engineering notation bug ( #5930 ) has been an obstacle to use of
> >> OOo in the scientific communities.  For over seven years, it has been a
> >> factor in keeping OOo out of many fields.
> >>
> >> Add more votes and wait another seven?  What should be done?
> >>      http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5930
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -Lars
> >>
>
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