On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 15:04 +0200, cono wrote:
> Niklas Nebel wrote:
> 
> > Robert Volke wrote:
> > 
> >> The easiest route would be if we could do a combination of the network
> >> security and using OpenOffice's security.  But this is a problem since
> >> some users need to keep Microsoft Office due to software and file (due
> >> to extensive macros) dependencies on it, and OpenOffice has he lovely
> >> ability to bypass read-only security on the file level.  I also heard
> >> that you can get around the OpenOffice password security by saving the
> >> document into a microsoft format.  
> > 
> > 
> > What's that fuss about the "security" of read-only settings? You can 
> > copy the content into a new document, save that one under the old name - 
> > and already you've "broken" the read-only flag. If the content is also 
> > hidden (but usable in formulas) or non-selectable, it's only slightly 
> > more difficult - all the content is there in the file, ready for anyone 
> > to see (or otherwise you wouldn't be able to load it for read-only use 
> > without a password).
> > 
> > Let me repeat: There is, intrinsically, no security in these flags. If 
> > you need security, use something else.
> > 
> > What you can do is sign the document. Then anyone will still be able to 
> > make a modified version, but you can check the signature and detect if 
> > anything was changed. Maybe that's what you're looking for?
> 
> You're right Niklas, that there is no security from password protected
> workbooks. Just unzipping the file, is enough to find the contents.
> It might of course, be a little barrier to prevent people having access 
> right away.
> Furthermore, one could wonder why bothering about password protection of 
> workbooks/sheets at all, if the protection is a bit of useless.

Considering the content.xml is encrypted when any OOo file is saved with
password, I do not see how unzipping does anything. Please explain.

> 
> Anyway, thanks to all who explained about secrurity by signatures and 
> the file system.
> 

No problem.

> Beside that, I've thought about another way, convenient for Calc, to 
> reach a fine level of security:
> a - put data/formula's, vital for using the document, in macro's, and 
> let the user start those by a button;
> b - password protect that library (can't be the Standard-lib).
> 


> As far as I've found, this is secure (conversion to xls does not convert 
> the macro's). If anyone has any doubt, pls let me know ;-)
> 

If you save in a foreign, proprietary format for which there is no API
please explain how OOo should export its security features. I think this
is neither a possible nor reasonable expectation. OOo docs, protected
with digital signatures and encrypted seem very safe to me.
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