I do not want to be not polite. And I'm so sorry if somebody take offense by my speech.
Sorry, folks! On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Scott Dowdle <dow...@montanalinux.org> wrote: > Greetings, > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's >> not working yet". >> >> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". >> >> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time. >> Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do not like >> at all. >> >> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project". >> >> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to >> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. And >> "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, it's >> not true open source". >> >> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not like >> steps of Odin company and community manager here. >> >> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way to >> build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code >> 2) They offer closed source distribution with bunch of crap instead >> 3) They put bunch of code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os >> docs, manuals and any help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks >> and it's really HARD challenge. >> 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not provide any references >> "How you can build template manually". >> >> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean >> "doing open source". >> >> Open source is: >> >> 1) Share ideas >> 2) Offer help and documentation >> 3) Mind about community, not about commercial success. >> >> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing Virtuozzo >> better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad. > > I find your lack of knowkedge and history (at least as you have articulated > your position in this thread) insulting and somewhat offensive. > > OpenVZ has been around for a long time... almost a decade in fact. It > started off with an EL4-based kernel (EOL'ed now)... then EL5-based kerne > (still supported)... then EL6-based kernel (still supported and the current > stable platform)... and they are working on the EL7-based platform. > > There have been a number of issues between the OpenVZ Project and the > commercial project it comes from as explained rather well in this video (als > mentioned in my last post): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNX4gEIJEc > > Yes the direction ahead looks to be a bumpy one but it makes a lot of sense > to me... and that road ahead is the merging of the OpenVZ Project with the > open sourcing of much of the Virtuozzo stuff... bringing the two projects > closer together... and making it easier for folks to migrate from one to the > other if desired. > > How long before the EL7-based setup is done and deemed "stable" and the > preferred platform over the current EL6-based one? No idea... but yeah, they > continue to maintain the EL6-based stable setup and all of the source code is > available for it. > > I think your problem is that you have somehow gotten confused and think that > OpenVZ/Odin is pushing the EL7-based branch as the stable / preferred > platform now... and that is in no way the case at all. > > So far as documentation is concerned... it is not uncommon for a project in > the development stages to not have manuals... and even when they have gone > stable... to not have much documentation. I believe OpenVZ has had rather > good (but not perfect) documentation for EL4, EL5, and EL6... and it remains > to be seen how that will turn out for EL7. If the commercial oriented side > of the project (that has been doing the vast majority of the work on the EL7 > effort) can't get good docs for the EL7 stuff done... then of course it is up > to the community to take a run at it. > > TYL, > -- > Scott Dowdle > 704 Church Street > Belgrade, MT 59714 > (406)388-0827 [home] > (406)994-3931 [work] > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@openvz.org > https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@openvz.org https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
