On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, John Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 01 August 2006 17:49, John D. Hardin wrote: > > Please don't pollute the IMAP and POP protocols this way. The problem > > can be easily solved with no changes to existing tools if the ISP > > blocks all outbound SMTP from their dynamic client ranges and requires > > SMTP AUTH via their mail servers for outbound email. > > That solves nothing. > > Carried to the logical extension, why not just route ALL email > through governments. > > SMTP was designed for direct delivery. ISPs do not and can not > filter all mail, and when they try they invariably become part of > the problem.
I also believe that you should be able to register as "clueful" with your ISP and have the filters removed. I think that a default level of filtering - SMTP and the Microsoft protocols that were only intended for use on a LAN - should be in place to deal with the default level of end-user administrative skill - low to nonexistent. However I *don't* think that clueful administrators and users should be subject to such restrictions, and should be able to opt out without charge. > In fact, spam friendly ISPs are a bigger problem than 100,000 > linux users running their own MTA. What upstream is going to shut > down a fat contract ISP because of spam? Spam-friendly ISPs are easy to isolate via DNSBLs. And I don't worry as much about Linux users running their own MTA as I do about hordes of p0wned Winders boxen running spambots without their owners' knowledge. > Your elitist attitude is not really helpful. Elitist? Sure. But my opinion is supported by the number of clueless, bot-controlled leaf nodes that are directly connected to the Internet and spewing crap at everybody else. -- John Hardin KA7OHZ ICQ#15735746 http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a [EMAIL PROTECTED] key: 0xB8732E79 - 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at the people at the top of both efforts. Linus Torvalds is a university graduate with a CS degree. Bill Gates is a university dropout who bragged about dumpster-diving and using other peoples' garbage code as the basis for his code. Maybe that has something to do with the difference in quality/security between Linux and Windows. -- anytwofiveelevenis on Y! SCOX -----------------------------------------------------------------------
