A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP:
>You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. > Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering > something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this > list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate > sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of > the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but > are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, > it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. > > Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one > or two good "meta" critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have > agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be > clear to all by a light reading of the history. > > As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in > apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't > have all the features some people want for it to be "done enough". It's > been "releasable quality" for two versions now, as my customers see it. > You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and > my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more "mature") > frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems > than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not > problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework > given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the > learning curve on T5 is way shorter. > > Cheers, > Christian. > > > > > > On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: > > > > Howard, > > > > You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. > > Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering > > something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA > > implementation? > > This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time > > T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've > ever > > seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. > > > > Rob > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice > > > support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and > > > annotations much, much easier. > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in > this > > > > release: > > > > > > > > * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with > > > > > > > components, > > > > > > > and with separate pages. > > > > * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. > > > > * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you > > > > > > > jump to > > > > > > > them. > > > > * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. > > > > * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. > > > > * The Select component - new and better examples. > > > > > > > > You'll find JumpStart at: > > > > > > > > http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart > > > > > > > > The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. > I > > > > > > > pray > > > > > > > that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any > > > > contributions that will help it along. > > > > > > > > As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or > > > > > > > brutal - > > > > > > > I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more > > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Geoff Callender > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Howard M. 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