At least in the environment where I work, non of my team members have ever violated CS101 like Howard constantly does. The guy doesn't even think and design before he codes. Much of his working routine are based on after thoughts. Thereby constantly breaking backwards compatibility. Probably most of his ideas pop up after he'd sipped some buckets of beer into his belly. They are just absurd ideas. I hope he releases T5 sooner and makes a release announcement at theserverside.com. I would then go there and put the final nail on Tapestry's coffin. Let Howard dare to ask me technical questions. I would answer it for free. I exempt him from payment because he badly needs help. So Howard, the ball is in your court. Adam, maybe you could advise him to come seek it.
Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Adam Zimowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You pathetic troll. My challenge to you was just to show that you will > always avoid technical discussion because you're simply uneducated (if > you are educated, show us some proof - maybe we'll find out your true > identity), technically-challenged, loud & obnoxious spammer with > one-and-only agenda, to waste people's time. If I want the answer, > I'll get it right here, from people that actually know their stuff :) > > heh,heh > > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adam, > > > > Would you pay me after I give you the technical answers you desire? If > yes, > > then drop me a line off list and we could discuss rates, etc. Upon > agreement > > you'd receive high quality technical answers to your queries. Just keep > note > > that my services are not for free. > > > > Regards, > > Rob > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Adam Zimowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask > > > you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: > > > > > > >You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is > insane. > > > > Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on > over-engineering > > > > something this simple. > > > > > > So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: > > > > > > I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could > > > you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with > > > Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this > > > using your solution. > > > > > > Please, give me a specific technical answer. > > > > > > -adam > > > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been > on > > > this > > > > list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate > > > > sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely > independently > > > of > > > > the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web > framework, > > > but > > > > are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web > framework, > > > > it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. > > > > > > > > Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You > have > > > one > > > > or two good "meta" critiques, and you have made them, most on this > list > > > have > > > > agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which > should > > > be > > > > clear to all by a light reading of the history. > > > > > > > > As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using > Tapestry in > > > > apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely > > > doesn't > > > > have all the features some people want for it to be "done enough". > It's > > > > been "releasable quality" for two versions now, as my customers see > it. > > > > You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my > own > > > and > > > > my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more > "mature") > > > > frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more > problems > > > > than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're > not > > > > problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new > > > framework > > > > given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the > > > > learning curve on T5 is way shorter. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Christian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howard, > > > > > > > > > > You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is > > > insane. > > > > > Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on > > > over-engineering > > > > > something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA > > > > > implementation? > > > > > This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By > the > > > time > > > > > T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast > we've > > > > ever > > > > > seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method > advice > > > > > > support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with > methods and > > > > > > annotations much, much easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in > > > > this > > > > > > > release: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with > > > > > > > > > > > > > components, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with separate pages. > > > > > > > * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle > the > > > Back > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. > > > > > > > * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > jump to > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > * Session Display - see what objects are in your > session. > > > > > > > * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. > > > > > > > * The Select component - new and better examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll find JumpStart at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The implementation of conversations is my own invention and > has not > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with > > > annotations. > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > pray > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to > any > > > > > > > contributions that will help it along. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > brutal - > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff Callender > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Howard M. 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