A fine post, Jonathon, in every regard.  I could not agree more.

Geoff

On 20/05/2008, at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Locke wrote:


I was just googling around the Internet for people with Wicket problems and I
ran across this highly obnoxious post and felt I should comment.

If the research was real, the poster would have linked to it. In fact,
nobody has any real basis short of a widespread statistical survey for
assessing the number of users of open source frameworks. Since I highly doubt anyone cares enough to do such an expensive survey, we can safely assume the poster is not only an anti-social ass but also a liar. And he is certainly not a friend of the Wicket or open source communities, as posts like this are damaging to everyone involved. In case I'm not making this
clear enough "Rob Smeets": KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY!

Open-source technologies should not be thought of as some kind of popularity contest. There are great technologies that languish in relative obscurity
and mediocre ones that everyone seems to use. It is also objectively a
healthy thing to have good alternatives as we don't live in a
one-size-fits-all world. Tapestry is a solid framework with a long history, lots of users and plenty of development activity. I don't think Wicket or anything else will kill it and there's no reason to think it won't continue to flourish. Certainly it has been innovative for many years and is a cut above most of the rest... and honestly anything that helps to put a nail in
the coffin of Struts is good for Java.

Best,

  Jonathan Locke, Founder of Wicket


Rob Smeets wrote:

Hi guys,

I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this
research
results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry
about the future of Tapestry.
According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of
course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best.
I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics
regarding Tapestry.

What do you think?

Yours friendly,

Rob



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